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| Posted by psykik, 08-25-2005, 11:51 AM |
| Hello everyone
I was just wondering. I think I do not competely follow with all technical issues like Private Nameservers, Reverse DNS and Anonymous Nameservers.
for me:
Private nameservers: are the ns1 and ns2 link to your main domain and this is the one all clients use and add on their domain right ?
ok this I have.
enabling this allows you to see your own nameservers when you are doing a whois on a domain.
anonymous nameservers are nameservers of a hosting company but that do not link in any way to that host.
right ?
Ok now what do you need if you want to be invisible from any company YOU use when you do a trace to your site??
currently all my clients have my private nameservers in their domain but when I trace their domain it goes to my server but it show
SERVERNAME.COMPANYIHOSTWITH.Com
I want it to show either an IP
or MYCOMPANY.COM
the company I'm hosted with seems to have a hard time in providing me info with this.
and I pay for:
1. 2 dedicated IP's
2. a quote:
Annonymous DNS:
well that is NOT the case
do a trace for the domain mentioned in my sig and you'll all know where I'm hosted at....
any thoughts, comments ?
thanks
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| Posted by txMom, 08-25-2005, 08:18 PM |
| I checked whois.sc for registration info and you do have private nameservers... no sign of your hosting providor's name.
looks like a private IP, too, and good ping times:
Pinging PSYKHOST.COM [209.51.145.206] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 209.51.145.206: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=47
what program are you using to get that trace which shows your hosting company?
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| Posted by harryhood, 08-25-2005, 11:09 PM |
| It appears the RDNS entry for your ip address(es) gives it away. Ask your provider to change the reverse dns entries for you ip and you should be all set.
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| Posted by psykik, 08-26-2005, 01:42 AM |
| yes I have private nameservers, that's in all good.
you pinged psykhost.com
but pinging psykik.net (or any client of mine) does not ping with the same IP and I get servername.companyname.com
They set up reverse dns for my MAIN account (psykhost) but what happens to my clients then ?
do I have to change the dns entries of them all pointing to that ip 209.51.145.206 ?
thanks
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| Posted by hostingoption, 08-26-2005, 03:05 AM |
| if you are talking about PNS then no name, of your hosting company anywhere, most of the componies provide like this.
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| Posted by psykik, 08-26-2005, 07:47 AM |
| yeah well with my previous hosts, if I remember it correctly,
when I did a trace of my client's domainname
the final result was just an IP
here it clearly states the domainname (and thus company) I host with.
and since I believe people tend to trace their domain much more often that to look a the whois of a domain, they'll see where I host them through which company.
I don't really like that.
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| Posted by foxmen, 08-26-2005, 10:26 AM |
| Yes, i trace psykik.net i can see your host provider :-(
trace PSYKHOST.COM its OK
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| Posted by psykik, 08-26-2005, 10:55 AM |
| yes I know
psykhost.com is ok because they installed reverse dns.
put you see what happens for all my clients (or psykik.net which is also mine but an a seperate account)
that's why don't get their explanation on their website:
what do you think?
it this normal? or shouldn't it be like that ?
they've left my ticket open with that same question for about 3 days now.
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| Posted by jph-, 08-26-2005, 11:10 AM |
| Well, not quite...
check here:
http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsre...in=psykik.com+
The main problem there is:but the real mystery is: why are your .com and .net setups so different? Is that intentional?
Also, I see lots of different domains in the various settings for your .com. Dunno if any of them are your host that you are trying to hide, but there is lots there to trace if someone was curious.
What you should do is: at your registry, you should register nameservers "of" the domain (sometimes called "child" nameservers of the domain) and specify the IP addresses of your host's nameservers. This is not the standard way you register a nameserver... this one should require that you provide the IP address.
After that, all of your domains and your client domains sould be set up (at their registries and on your host's nameservers) to use nswhatever.yourdomain.xxx as their nameservers.
Your .net and .com setups are so different I can't tell what you are trying to do. maybe you can also give an example of one of your client domains?
Last edited by jph-; 08-26-2005 at 11:13 AM.
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| Posted by psykik, 08-26-2005, 11:26 AM |
| first of all: psykik.COM is not even mine. I don't know who that domain belongs to....
here a bit more explaination.
Psykhost.Com is my main account and the one I use to sign up clients...
psykhost.com has got 2 private Nameservers. ns1.psykhost.com and ns2.psykhost.com
all clients have to put in their domain the above nameservers
psykik.net has got nothing to do with psykhost.com.
you may call psykik.net a CLIENT. (I do not want to post real client domains as I do not want to publish their domain openly here in case they would subject.)
doing a trace to PSYKHOST.COM (the main domain) does indeed return an ip as last trace
and this is because they've installed reverse dns on it....
but all my clients get the same trace as psykik.net with mentioning of my provider as last hop.
thus, if a client traces its own domain, they will get the provider name as last hop.
which I find annoying.
I hope this time i'm clear
Last edited by psykik; 08-26-2005 at 11:31 AM.
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| Posted by jph-, 08-26-2005, 11:49 AM |
| well, yes and no (as far as being clear)... It certainly helps thaat i am looking at the right domains now!
I am still confused. For example, your ...host.com MX record is:
Your 1 MX record is:
0 psykhost.com. [TTL=14400] IP=209.51.145.206 [TTL=14400] [US]
with a reverse DNS of:
206.145.51.209.in-addr.arpa psykhost.com. [TTL=3127]
That looks good.
Your .net MX is:
0 psykik.net. [TTL=14400] IP=72.9.254.130 [TTL=14400] [US]
with a reverse DNS of:
130.254.9.72.in-addr.arpa newpolar1.hostnetway.com. [TTL=844]
Are they really using different mail servers? Those are not even close to each other.
Also, how are you "tracing" your domains so that you see bad stuff? pinging doesn't show anything from here.
I suggest you take a look at the dnsreport.com listings for those two domains, even side-by side, and comb through them. there is very interesting stuff in there.
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| Posted by psykik, 08-26-2005, 11:58 AM |
| thanks for dnsreport
well for psykhost.com and the IP 209.51.145.206 it's hostnetway that set that up.
for my .net and (thus all my clients) they indeed point to 72.9.254.130. (that's the ip of the server)
I've asked what to do with all this
and still haven't got a reply.
all I want to actually know is if I should change all my clients to point at 209.51.145.206.
(but I tried that actually and the whole domain got pointed to the psykhost.com website... so I changed it back)
I don't know anything in fact...
how they setup their stuff.
I've really asked their support for some explanation but didn't get a satisfactory answer.
I'm really getting tired of all this...
I'm thinking of switching all together...
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| Posted by IGobyTerry, 08-26-2005, 12:26 PM |
| They need to setup your reseller permissions to use the Ip's that you're delegated rather than the main shared IP.
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| Posted by psykik, 08-26-2005, 01:10 PM |
| should they know that ?
I've just learned that it's not recommended to put rDNS on a reseller server because all e-mail header will still show hostnetway.com. (and this is what is happening.)
some clients have forms in php on their site and if they get a mail it says hostnetway.com
I've been asked why this is happening.
Apparently hostnetway has something totally screwed up with their server configuration and dns. They say you'll be an anonymous reseller while that's clearly not the case.
They seem not to know what they are doing. I've had my ticket opened and on standby for 3 days now.
the only thing they said was on my request to do something about it not being anonymous was:
It think I'd better jump ship now that my 14 day trial is still active.
I'm currently looking at ResellerZoom advanced Reseller plans (5 GB- 50 GB with Clientexec and all)
any thoughts ?
(only thing that bothers me is they require you to send a fax with credit card information on it..)
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| Posted by harryhood, 08-26-2005, 01:16 PM |
| I believe all main server ip address are required to have RDNS set-up for them since this ip will also be used as the mail server ip and that is a requirement of that.
Typically the rdns entry would be something generic and not the hosting companies main domain name.
Your reseller account definatly should have been set-up to assign new accounts to your shared ip and not the servers main ip. Looks like someone forgot to set that when creating your account.
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| Posted by psykik, 08-26-2005, 01:24 PM |
| I've mailed them with all this info to see what they'll respond. just to be curious what they say.
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| Posted by psykik, 08-27-2005, 02:27 AM |
| OK no answer...
about 10 hours later. I've had it with this incompetence.
who would you recommend ?
an advanced reseller plan at hostingzoom (now resellerzoom) or one with site5 ???
both give my excellent performance when pinging one of their network servers.
or would your recommend something totally different (it has to be east coast located and have clientexec)
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| Posted by psykik, 08-27-2005, 02:35 AM |
| I'm more tempted to go with hostingzoom. for about $2 extra a month I get some neat addon's (ssl reseller, SEO, enom)
but the only thing I don't like seems to be this http://hostingzoom.com/forms/cc.html
I'm not sure if they ask this to all their clients but mailing/faxing them that kind of confidential information through an open channel worries me a bit...
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| Posted by txMom, 08-27-2005, 12:38 PM |
| Since you mentioned wanting to switch to zoom...
i'm using zoom, the only things that are not my domains on DNS report are:
Hostmaster E-mail address: system.nswebhost.com
DNS contact E-mail address is: system@nswebhost.com
The reverse DNS entries are:
162.18.29.66.in-addr.arpa 162.video2-mux.net
mydomain.com claims to be host morris.nswebhost.com
neither video2-mux.net nor nswebhost.com has a website, so maybe that is as private as you can get? but doing a google search on nswebhost does lead one to zoom if they put some sleuthing into it.
Just trying to save you some legwork here. Maybe someone has a suggestion for a reseller that meets psykik's reqs?
good luck
by the way, i've been very happy with their support in my short exp with them and no i didn't have to submit any faxes.
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| Posted by psykik, 08-27-2005, 12:46 PM |
| I've signed up
payed with paypal for not having to send that credit card information.
I'm waiting for activation.
but since it's saturday I'll have to wait a bit I guess...
but I'm not one of those who get upset if their account is not activated instantly.
I prefer they do a throughout check before activating. that reduces the risk of having spammers on your server...
I hope once and for all to have a smooth ride with a resell company.
I signed up for an advanced plan @ $24/month
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| Posted by psykik, 08-27-2005, 03:52 PM |
| Ok I got my activation
I'm in business
server speed is awesome. everything loads instantly.
everything is up, and server load is 0.00 LOL. I've never seen it that low
I'll be transferring my accounts now.
I think you'll be expecting a short review/opinion about hostnetway here soon.
I'll keep everyone updated on how it goes with resellerzoom (hostingzoom but all reselling plans have moved to resellerzoom...)
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| Posted by customp, 11-06-2005, 07:09 PM |
| How did it go? How do you like hosting with them?
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