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Posted by EfreeZe, 10-31-2005, 10:40 PM
hi, I'm just looking around for a decent reseller provider. I did find one, but some of the features are lacking; no fault of their own but mostly because of the control panel. I'm looking for, at least, ColdFusion mx 7, MySQL 4.1, and the usual like php, perl, so forth. I found some hosts that use hsphere, which is a nice panel but they seem a bit restrictive with software versions. The host I looked at is still using MySQL 4.0 I checked out Hostmysite, and was very impressed with their site and their sales team. A slight problem is that they provide absolutely no addon domains with any accounts, and only provide one database; additional databases are apparently $5 each. So, I'm looking for some other suggestions. Phone support wouldn't be bad either, though not necessary, and it'd be nice to be able to offer both Windows and Linux accounts. Not looking for anything cheap, so no concerns about price. Thanks.
Posted by dannybedor, 11-01-2005, 01:47 AM
You can also try to post in Related Offers and Requests or search in Web Hosting Offers. Good luck with your search.
Posted by jmweb, 11-01-2005, 06:58 AM
Its not that scary, a bit busy but not scary. Just remember not to walk out in front of moving posts
Posted by EfreeZe, 11-01-2005, 07:06 AM
Oh it's pretty scary in there, I built up the courage and peaked in. I did a bit of searching but still am not coming up with much. The thing is that it seems the vast majority of those who post in those offers forums are really trying to get some people to sign up, and thus have ridiculously cheap packages, which I run very quickly away from. Last edited by EfreeZe; 11-01-2005 at 07:10 AM.
Posted by EfreeZe, 11-01-2005, 07:22 AM
Just a note. Please, no one contact me advertising your services. It just looks like your begging for customers, which doesn't look good and I'm definitely not going to sign up. Just got such an advertisement from the user ChipMonk here through e-mail. I believe such is against the rules?
Posted by hostingoption, 11-01-2005, 03:54 PM
I will refer you to hosting offer forum to get the best provider around your need, and get hosting review also..
Posted by EfreeZe, 11-01-2005, 04:31 PM
hi, Thanks for the reply. Again, there's not much in that board that interests me. Why was Yash's post deleted? I was actually interested to see what he'd reply...
Posted by The Stealthy One, 11-01-2005, 04:50 PM
From the requirements you've listed, HostCentric's private-label program sounds like it would fit perfectly!
Posted by EfreeZe, 11-01-2005, 05:06 PM
hi mynameweb, They actually look decent. But I don't see anything about coldFusion? Their site is slightly difficult to navigate. I asked their sales team some questions; let's see how that goes.
Posted by The Stealthy One, 11-01-2005, 05:11 PM
Hi Brandon, Yes, the site is a teensy bit hard to navigate! But anyway, there is a popup on the site that mentions ColdFusion MX availability: http://www.hostcentric.com/popups/pl_carrierclass.bml . You can access it directly by visiting http://www.hostcentric.com/pvtlabel/index.bml and clicking the 'Carrier-class Hosting' link. Also, on this page - http://www.accountsupport.com/info/wincompare.bml - you can see that ColdFusion is a part of each Windows account.
Posted by EfreeZe, 11-01-2005, 05:18 PM
Ah great in that case. I'll bother their sales team a bit and see what happens, and I'll post an update here.
Posted by cartika-andrew, 11-01-2005, 05:38 PM
Hello - based on your requirements (superficially at least) hsphere would seem like a good fit. However, the default install of hsphere does not accomodate for coldfusion mx7 (mx 6.1 only at this time) and does not support mysql v4.1 as of yet. Re coldfusion - several hosts have made mx7 work properly on an hsphere cluster - you will need to contact each host and ask them. re mysql - there shouldnt be a problem running v4.1 (though we havent tried as we tend to stay compliant with psoft recommended versions). However, v4.1 is coming soon (with the next release of hsphere). I always find this requirement interesting, as people often hear that they need v4.1 (with nested queries) to run their application - when really, hspheres default configuration (ie clustered services) allows for better performance, thus, often times negating the requirement for nested queries (often required in an oversold environment to run even a simple application) - all of this is a moot point of course if you have custom coded your application to specifically require nested queries (which certainly have their benefits) I would say most hsphere hosts are not able to accomodate these 2 requirements as of today, however, going with an alternate solution and manually managing your business (vs complete integration) may not end up being the better option for you. This is clearly a decision you will need to make and weigh the pros and cons of each decision... Thats a VERY good question. Yash isnt known for breaking any rules and typically he provides valuable information on this board. I imagine it had something to do with him discussing hsphere. That seems to be taboo around these parts lately...
Posted by EfreeZe, 11-01-2005, 06:09 PM
hi, Thanks for your reply. I agree hsphere is a very good control panel and definitely those hosts who use it are closer to what I'm looking for. mysql 4.1 is more just a convenience for me. It's tough, for instance, importing data from mysql 4.1 to mysql 4.0. I have mysql 4.1 on my computer, where I develop my site, then I import it into the databases on my web site. Mostly I want mx 7; I can deal with mysql 4.0 even though I don't want to But MX 7 has several very useful features. I have the developer version on my computer, so again it's hard going from an mx 7 environment to an mx 6.1 environment. Not to mention the useful features in mx 7. About Yash's post, maybe it was mistaken for advertising? Someone recommended jodohost, I said they only used mx 6.1 and mysql 4.0, yash replied that they'd soon be upgrading to mx 7 and mysql 4.1 should be available soon, I replied with a question trying to get a timeline...and all of those posts were deleted. That's alright though; I found a recent post in their forums saying they should have mx 7 on one of their servers by early December. So if I can't find anything else decent I'll stick it out and see if that actually happens. Again they've had plans a couple of times to upgrade, but apparently due to hsphere, they have not.
Posted by cartika-andrew, 11-01-2005, 06:12 PM
I completely agree with your assessments and obviously your requirements make sense... You should easily be able to export your db's into 4.0 format, however, missing features from coldfusion mx7 certainly is difficult to swallow... If you can hold off, both of these features are coming soon - but, if your requirement is urgent, obviously you will need to consider other options. Best of luck either way and please keep us updated with your decision....
Posted by ldcdc, 11-01-2005, 07:06 PM
Andrew, I assure you that there is no conspiracy against H-Sphere hosts, nor against discussing H-Sphere. If you have any concerns regarding moderators' actions, the rules state that they should be sent to http://www.webhostingtalk.com/helpdesk .
Posted by cartika-andrew, 11-02-2005, 02:55 AM
Dan, A "conspiracy" is a much more militant term then I would have used. Is there a group of people that are perpetuating a nonsensical notion that hsphere hosts are spamming threads and are acting in a manner that is unique and isolated to their solutions? certainly there is? Is there an overwhelming trend of deleting posts on WHT that are hsphere related? Absolutely ! I dont see what this will accomplish. Cease the censorship and deletion of posts related to hsphere, and I will be satisfied. If this isnt possible, then treat cpanel spam in the same manner and with the same diligence as you treat hsphere, and I will be satisfied. Positioning a post in a manner which attempts to portray me as paranoid or dillusional regarding an hsphere conspiracy will not achieve your goals. The cesation of censorship would be a more appropriate path. Last edited by cartika-andrew; 11-02-2005 at 03:02 AM.
Posted by Yash-JH, 11-02-2005, 03:23 AM
Yes, my posts were deleted for reasons I have not yet understood. I am responding for one last time with the timeframe at JodoHost for implementation of some of our new features, and I hope this isn't deleted because I don't want to leave a question asked on a public form unanswered MX 6.1 - As Andrew rightly said, officially there is no HSphere support for 7.0 although we have tested it and have got it running. We plan to roll out our first production CF7 server in the first week of december. All new and old resellers would have access to it MySQL 4.1 - I believe PSOFT is working on implementation, so it shouldn't be long before its adopted by HSphere hosts. I've sent an email to PSOFT about this and if I get some timeframe, I'll let you know. I'd like to add that we will be launching .NET 2.0 in 2 weeks from now. Since you are looking for the latest, this is something you'd might want to know
Posted by Aussie Bob, 11-02-2005, 04:50 AM
You h-sphere hosts need to be mindful of your sigs, when posting in potentially commerically beneficial threads. If you're going to discuss such things, then you might find it wise to remove your sigs.
Posted by EfreeZe, 11-02-2005, 08:23 AM
Hi Yash, Sounds great. I don't use .net (yet ), but that may be something my clients would be happy about. I'll be looking forward to the first week of December. For now I'll develop in 6.1 and will just introduce the mx 7 features when it is available. Sounds like the best thing to do, anyway. Seems that Jodohost has a pretty good reputation around here. It's funny that though I asked not to be contacted by anyone regarding their own services, I am, anyway , by TnetHost this time. Again thanks for all the replies Brandon
Posted by cartika-andrew, 11-02-2005, 11:53 AM
BINGO !!! and herein lies the problem... "US" hsphere hosts are not the problem. We are not the source of the overwhelming amount of signature spam that occurs on this board - yet, we are being singled out - "minorities" always make for an easy target I guess. As for "commercially beneficial threads" - every thread on wht is a potentially commercially beneficial thread - thats largely the point isnt it - you yourself Bob have built a successful business (and maybe more then 1) partly from the commercial benefits of wht - to insinuate that there is something wrong with relavent posts (ie contributing to the community) that also represent the potential for commercial rewards is a little hypocritical. If the powers that be honestly believe that there is a signature spamming issue on this board, then may I recommend that some rules be put in place to combat and manage it - simply assigning the blame for a large problem to a small group of people doesnt effectively deal with the problem - it only acts to censor a small group of people...
Posted by ldcdc, 11-02-2005, 01:21 PM
Andrew, you're taking this way too personally. I did not use the words "paranoid and dillusional" because they were not in my mind, not for one second. Conspiracies are not just imaginary things in a lost mind, they can be very real. Simply put, it is WHT's policy not to discuss the decisions of moderators in public. If you want a chance to receive a real answer, you must use the helpdesk. For the record: I did not remove any posts from this thread, and there is no organised censorship against H-sphere providers, despite any such apparencies.
Posted by cartika-andrew, 11-02-2005, 01:52 PM
Fair enough, but, I dont really believe in consiparies per se - typically, I see such positions as political maneuvering, and only someone not reading the situation properly would perceive it as a "conspiracy" I guess this can be perceived as personal in so much that many of my posts have been deleted without just cause - and when I have contacted the moderator team about it, it has been admitted that the deletions were not justified, yet they countinue. Overall, I dont believe this is a personal situation at all, however, I am being affected by it. Dan, I never believed it was you nor have I indicated such. I actually appreciate you trying to stear me in the direction you believe is the correct one. However, I completely disagree with you regarding hsphere censorship. Appearances are appearances for a reason - and an overwhelming number of legitimate threads are being deleted simply because they mention hsphere - if there is a more rational explanation, I am all ears - Ive said my piece and hopefully the moderating team will be a little more discriminating with that delete button moving forward
Posted by EfreeZe, 11-02-2005, 01:59 PM
Not to bring the thread off topic, but why exactly would hsphere hosts be targeted? Quite interesting. By the way, CartikaHosting, do you have any idea when you will upgrade to mx 7? Just checking out your web site a bit.
Posted by cartika-andrew, 11-02-2005, 02:17 PM
This one is a mystery to me - and I was shocked when I started seeing posts from prominant wht posters indicating that hsphere hosts are acting inappropriately. I do believe there is a problem on wht with flagrant signature spamming, but, I wish the powers that be would focus on the problem itself, vs trying to isolate a specific group - at least thats my perception - and Im sure others feel differently - but, thats what makes this board so interesting afterall We seem to be on the same timeline as JodoHost with these upgrades. We have hsphere v2.5 beta loaded and running successfully on our development boxes with mx7 and mysql4.1 (as well as some other goodies - exchange, dedicated reseller plans, etc - this is in no way unique to us, as Im sure every hsphere host is looking forward to a stable release of v2.5) I admit, Jodohost may beat us to the punch, as we will probably not implement these features til v2.5 - again, we choose to stay compliant, vs customizing existing installs to operate outside of recommended parameters. I think both avenues have merit - but, when we analyzed the situation, it looks as though v2.5 will be stable around the same time it would take us to modify our existing install - so, we are simply taking the path of least resistance...
Posted by ldcdc, 11-02-2005, 02:29 PM
I know Andrew, but me posting in this thread could have been interpreted as me defending my own actions. I felt there was no reason for such suspicions to continue to exist. Brandon, when you're asking hosts presales questions via WHT, you're unintentionally putting them in a not so easy position because: Sometimes their answers can be self promotional in nature, even if they're not meant to be so.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 11-02-2005, 07:14 PM
You're not being singled out. If you're discussing h-sphere, in a thread where someone is looking for a h-sphere host, then remove your sigs. It's really that simple. If you display your sig in a thread where a poster has indicated they're looking for a h-sphere host, then you are sig pimping, if you know it or not. It only takes a second to untick the sig box, when making a post, and it's always better to be safe than sorry. The rule applies to all hosts, as was discussed here, and added in the rules here
Posted by cartika-andrew, 11-02-2005, 09:25 PM
Bob, I have always valued your opinion - and have even publicly stated how much Ive learned from you and how much I value your input on wht - but, on this point, Im sorry man - I simply cannot see your point of view and frankly believe you are way off base... Why on earth would I or anyone else do that? So the only signature present in an hsphere thread should be those of people not offering hsphere?? A signature is an advertisement - no doubt about it - thats what they are there for and thats why alot of people post on wht - this is a marketplace - lets try not to forget that... OK - considering no definition exists on the word "sig pimping" - this is obviously open to interpretation - mine, yours and everyone elses.. Personally, if someone posts a valueless post in ANY thread, simply to have their signature displayed, then this, in my mind, would be "sig pimping" If someone is posting valuable information, that may be usefull to the original poster or anyone else researching those topics, and they possess a signature advertising services that may be useful to those people, then thats entrepreneurial and good business/marketing practice... Should everyone selling any sort of merchant services not display their signatures in merchant services threads? Who better to respond to these threads then the people with the actual expertise to provide valuable insight and advise? and if users see value in their posts and decide to click on their signature - well, thats just good business... Im not sure why this notion is so offensive to you, but, there are zero rules against posting valuable, pertinent information with your signature attached - in fact, I would expect that to be promoted, not frowned upon... This rule is vague at best and further perpetuates the problem being discussed. Every single post made with a signature attached (which is what?? 99% of posts on wht) is made with the intention of 1) providing information and 2) display ones signature - so - it comes down to: This is really what we are discussing here - and it seems that particular people (you included) have a mutually exclusive definition of what "sig spamming" is and where it should apply... I for one, think your definition and enforcement of said rule is wrong (at best)...
Posted by cartika-andrew, 11-02-2005, 09:34 PM
Bob, I read some of your posts in the other thread - Looks like we arent that far apart after all
Posted by cartika-andrew, 11-02-2005, 09:47 PM
Well, believe it or not, I was the one that recommended those actions to the moderator team... (really wish I had found that thread) As I said, doesnt look like we are far off Bob (which is encouraging) - but, I assure you, the reasons Im raising these issues is because sig spams arent being dealt with - rather legitimate posts are disappearing - I know the moderator team has a tough job on this one - but, Id rather leave the sig spamming in place vs deleting useful information....
Posted by EfreeZe, 11-02-2005, 10:05 PM
I've seen those who have posted just a sentence or two, not contributing to the thread, and conveniently attaching their signature, and those posts still stand. Those are the ones mods should be going after. Are you saying signatures should not be attached if there is the remotest chance someone might click it? That pretty much limits them to the lounge, as everywhere else, it might be taken as trying to advertise...
Posted by The Stealthy One, 11-02-2005, 10:17 PM
I'll be quite honest - the whining over the signatures needs to stop. I, and countless others, are sick and tired of hearing about it. If you whiners don't think your signature is cool enough to appear in the same forum as ours, get lost.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 11-02-2005, 11:10 PM
Let's not make a big production out of this. This is not the right forum for such an indepth discussion. If you want to keep on the safe side of the new sig rule, then you should not display your sig in a thread where someone is looking for a h-sphere host. Just keep your sig out of h-sphere related threads, and there'll be nothing for you to worry about. Promotion is not a reward for participation. Participation is its own reward.
Posted by cartika-andrew, 11-02-2005, 11:26 PM
Agreed Lets agree to disagree I say both participation and promotion are equally important - however, again - lets agree to disagree
Posted by lyew, 11-07-2005, 04:00 AM
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