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| Posted by hosts, 12-28-2005, 04:46 AM |
| i had debate with my host, they feels most resellers don't care about anonymous nameservers. so for curiosity i want to guess how many resellers want anonymous nameservers.
please vote as a reseller what u think
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| Posted by dollar, 12-28-2005, 04:48 AM |
| I say 7.8365/10 would want them, with a 95% margin for error.
Moral of the post: there is no way to tell, your results are going to vary constantly. You are polling WHT which is a very special selection of resellers. If part of your game plan is to try and act as if you are larger than you are (dedicated owner instead of a reseller) then they most likely do make a difference, my moto has always been honesty is the best policy.
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| Posted by niyogi, 12-28-2005, 04:50 AM |
| In comparison to having personal name servers (ns1.yourdomain.com ns2.yourdomain.com), most would prefer these over anonymous name servers. However, it's important that the server's IP has reverse DNS to private domains.
Roj
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| Posted by hosts, 12-28-2005, 04:56 AM |
| in my case i have private nameservers (ns1.mydomain.com ns2.mydomain.com) but it is pointing to Hosts nameserver not anonymous nameservers and this nameservers and IP revels Hosts name and address in whois. so ns1.mydomain.com and ns2.mydomain.com is no more anonymous
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| Posted by dollar, 12-28-2005, 04:57 AM |
| Why does it bother you that it reveals your host's name?
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| Posted by hosts, 12-28-2005, 05:11 AM |
| because if you just check whois info of mydomain.com on whois.sc it displays my hosts full name in IP location. most client knows about whois info. and if you check dnsreport or netcraft then you will get even address of my host.
and i m in the category who like to have anonymous nameservers.
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| Posted by dollar, 12-28-2005, 05:13 AM |
| I know you're in the category I am curious as to why it's a bad thing that your host's information is there.
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| Posted by Lpal-Patrick, 12-28-2005, 05:21 AM |
| justadollarhostin
That's a question that doesn't need answering. Isn't it obvious why one wouldn't want one's hoster to be revealed to the clients?
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| Posted by dollar, 12-28-2005, 05:23 AM |
| That question does need answered as it is not obvious. The only valid reason I could ever think of is that the host you are going with is offering services lower than yours to your exact target market and you are afraid of loosing market share.
The other options that I see are:
1. I can't afford a dedicated server for whatever reason (nothing wrong with that) and I want my clients to think I am bigger than I am.
2. I am with a really horrible host that has a lot of bad stuff about them, but they are so cheap I can't resist. I must hide it from my clients.
Feel free to clue me in.
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| Posted by Lpal-Patrick, 12-28-2005, 05:34 AM |
| You seem to cover it.
I don't see anything wrong with private name servers as long the reseller provides good service.
Last edited by Lpal-Patrick; 12-28-2005 at 05:38 AM.
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| Posted by dollar, 12-28-2005, 05:38 AM |
| Then the question stands Why is the OP worried that his/her host is being revealed?
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| Posted by Lpal-Patrick, 12-28-2005, 05:42 AM |
| In my opinion most resellers want private nameservers to act like they are bigger than they really are as you said.
You'll lose clients if they know you're just a reseller.
Hiding the fact that you're a reseller doesn't make you less of a reliable host.
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| Posted by dollar, 12-28-2005, 05:49 AM |
| No it doesn't at all, but I have always been a fan of being honest (that is not the best terms to use here, as I am not trying to say: You dirty lying no good host!) and concentrating on what you can offer. As a reseller you do have advantages:
You have less overhead prices, allow you to offer your hosting at a lower price than you would otherwise.
Server management is in the hands of XYZ host who have had a great track record and provide wonderful around the clock support for any and all server issues.
In addition, the biggest problem with such a tactic is when one of your methods of hiding fails. There is much more to hiding who you are than just the idea of private nameservers (one of the biggest give aways is in e-mail headers, but there are others). When you are finally found out, and a post here on WHT is made, it can be quite an un-fun situation.
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| Posted by hosts, 12-28-2005, 06:45 AM |
| till now i have changed 4 host, but i never like to change host, i changed host bcoz of problem of service or lacking in feature, i m happy with my current hosts service and feature.
my client knows clearly that i don't have my server i m a reseller, actually i m a web developer and i provides hosting to make complete package.
now take an example, my one client need SQL 2005 support and i knows in future more client need SQL 2005 support. i cant afford to have two reseller account with two host. so i decided to change host. but my few client who don't need any new feature and happy with my host they also have to shift to new host, now in such case i like that my clients should knows me only not my host, anyway i m responsible to provide support.
due to whatever reason, service, price or any other business strategy i may have to change host. so i wish my clients stay with me only they should not able to find my actual host.
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| Posted by ChaoticSilence, 12-28-2005, 07:24 AM |
| As a host we have seen that many of the resellers are worried about anonymity and specifically request anonymous nameservers.
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| Posted by cunning, 12-28-2005, 07:48 AM |
| In that case, I would like to know what are you trying to come up with this thread, and who is your current host?
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| Posted by NeoGen, 12-28-2005, 07:53 AM |
| And for sure that is a big thing. As a reseller I would like to anonymity. The reason is not that I want to pretend that I am big, the reason is I dont want to reveal identity of my service provider. As in all case my service provider might be offering all range of services including the one offered by a reseller.
For sure anonymous name servers ensure that prospects just dont leave you with just browsing your site and without talking to you. Once you have started the dialogue, you can on request make hom aware that you have taken services from XYZ or whatever.
My 2C
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| Posted by CyberHostPro, 12-28-2005, 12:12 PM |
| hi
most hosts should offer anonymous nameservers or private nameservers as standard really, its just silly not too
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| Posted by Shaw Networks, 12-29-2005, 12:02 AM |
| Through our experience, your web host is correct. The majority of the reseller clients we have do not want private nameservers, despite us having an option on the order form to fill them in. Roughly estimating, about 60-70% of our reseller clients do not have private nameservers while 30-40% do have them.
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| Posted by AbsoluteNetwork, 12-29-2005, 12:58 AM |
| I do think is important to have private/anonymous nameservers.. WHY? maybe the host dont really care.. but as a reseller.. sometimes you sell space a client and maybe that client will do a who is for that nameservers ( if is not private/anonymous) and Abracadabra.. there is the chace that they will stop doing business with you ( as a reseller) and go for the host company.. As a host company it works fine.. as a reseller it doesnt..
No body would like the clients to leave.. right??
I dont think that is a matter of trying to look bigger to clients... is just a matter of business preservation..
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| Posted by hosts, 12-29-2005, 01:29 AM |
| if your reseller dont require private nameservers then you must be using anonymous nameservers, i dont think so your reseller will like to use ns.IncognitoNetworks.com as nemeserver for their client.
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| Posted by rois, 12-29-2005, 01:54 AM |
| either anonymous nameservers or private nameservers are very important especially if your pricing is higher than your provider.
eg. XYZ buys reselling accounts from ABC host.
XYZ sells a 50mb hosting for $10 and ABC sells them for $8.
And there are many host out there that has a cheaper 'shared' hosting account then what their reseller clients are selling.
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| Posted by Lpal-Patrick, 12-29-2005, 02:45 AM |
| Even IF most of the market doesn't want private nameservers that doesn't mean you should exclude the service and don't offer it at all.
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| Posted by cunning, 12-29-2005, 12:08 PM |
| I just feel that the reseller provider should have both options available so as to make their clients ( resellers) opt for anything they want to.
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| Posted by Website Rob, 12-29-2005, 06:50 PM |
| As a Hoster I cannot enter a Vote, but I can point out 2 specific reasons, why a Reseller would want or prefer Personalized Nameservers.
1. Convenience
When a Reseller has their own Nameservers they setup their Clients to use them. If it so happens that the Reseller chooses to move then only the Reseller has to make Registrar changes. And when done correctly, there is no downtime for their Clients.
2. Security or Peace of Mind
By having their own Nameservers and correctly setup rDNS (or PTR record) and, if the Hoster is using an Anonymous Server Hostname, it makes it very difficult for Reseller Clients to bypass the Reseller for better pricing.
The priority should be on the Reseller as this is another Service a Hoster can offer.
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| Posted by ldcdc, 12-29-2005, 09:56 PM |
| Maybe that's because many of them are not resellers, but simply use reseller accounts to host their own sites... I do know that some reseller hosting providers have determined that much of their customer base is not actually formed by true resellers.
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| Posted by 1ahosting, 12-29-2005, 10:08 PM |
| I really think clients prefer anonymous nameservers. I had that experience before.
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| Posted by HybridReseller, 12-30-2005, 05:16 AM |
| Most major control panels give reseller hosts the capability to offer anonymous nameservers. I'm surprised it's still a running issue nowadays.
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| Posted by hosts, 01-06-2006, 07:36 AM |
| well my current host is aspnix.com, i m happy with their service, feature and price and i strongly recommend them if you don't care about anonymous nameservers and even using private nameservers ns.yourdomain.com, from whois information only your client able to findout who is your actual host.
my aim to post this poll is to find out anonymous namesevers is how much important for reseller. that help our host to understand what features are imp for us.
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| Posted by StackHost, 01-06-2006, 07:39 AM |
| All of our resellers have expressed quite a bit of interest in Private Nameservers. Seems to be very popular with them.
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| Posted by cunning, 01-09-2006, 05:45 PM |
| Basically anonymous servers allow the resellers to get a brand name for them which is why it is considered important and can be termed as an extra level of service to the clients
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