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Looking for managed VPS with cPanel for $30 a month
| Posted by Lucianhn, 08-23-2016, 08:59 AM |
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I'm looking for a managed VPS with cPanel for $30 a month. It should have 4 GB of RAM and at least 20 GB disk space. I don't know anything about managing a VPS, so I need the company to do everything for me, including migrate my IPB 4-based community from my current hosting provider via cPanel and optimize the VPS to make the script (Invisionpower 4) run fast. Location: USA. It should also allow legal adult content, such as nudity.
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| Posted by Andei, 08-23-2016, 09:06 AM |
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You may need to at least double your budget if you want uptime and management quality.
An unmanaged 4GB RAM VPS goes for around your current budget, without including any cPanel license or management.
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| Posted by net, 08-23-2016, 09:11 AM |
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cPanel license is already $15. So, you are looking for the remaining $15 for the vps specs + management. No can do.
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| Posted by Lucianhn, 08-23-2016, 09:27 AM |
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Really? Cause apparently these guys can do: http://www.iozoom.com/pricing.html
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| Posted by Andei, 08-23-2016, 10:16 AM |
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Just because it's posted on a pricing page doesn't mean they can do it.
I'm not saying iozoom is bad, since I've never heard of them until now, I'm just saying their prices are suspiciously low for what they claim to offer, as @net already explained, after the license cost, there's very little money left to cover hardware and management.
But, by all means, you should go with them if you've found them to fit your exact needs, and be sure to post a review in a few months.
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| Posted by SYNUK, 08-23-2016, 10:42 AM |
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It's not a terrible budget but not great either especially if you need full management, if people are buying cPanel licenses for $15/mo then they're buying it from the wrong places.
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| Posted by ImpressHost, 08-23-2016, 11:07 AM |
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If you purchase cPanel license as a partner, still OP budget is not good for managed VPS.
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| Posted by Maple-Hosting, 08-23-2016, 08:31 PM |
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Are you set on exactly $30 per month? With VPS, it may be possible that going for $40 (not a huge difference money-wise) could end up as a huge difference service-wise.
As with every industry, you get what you pay for.
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| Posted by Lucianhn, 08-24-2016, 05:52 AM |
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@ioZoom, what are your thoughts on this?
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| Posted by Greggd, 08-24-2016, 06:14 AM |
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It seems you are short on budget. cPanel is for 15 $ and if you are going to host just one website you don't really need a cpanel for that. You can save money by choosing from various free panels for this and try to manage the server yourself. It is not that difficult. For 20-25 $ a month you can get a much better dedicated server.
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| Posted by EugeneWHZ, 08-24-2016, 07:53 AM |
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Have you had any conversation with your current provider? Actually the best and the easiest way - migration within your current hosting provider. It seems that by the present moment you were happy enough with them and their service?
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| Posted by Lucianhn, 08-24-2016, 08:01 AM |
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How am I short of a budget? I literally just showed you a hosting company that is within my budget range, yet everyone says that it's not doable.
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| Posted by Andei, 08-24-2016, 08:23 AM |
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So what exactly is preventing you from going with them, then?
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| Posted by Lucianhn, 08-24-2016, 09:01 AM |
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I will in a few days. I emailed them and they seemed quite happy to do the migration for me. I'll post a review of their services after a month.
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| Posted by HostingBig, 08-24-2016, 10:52 AM |
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then order it no sense posting further
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Do the math
IO ZOOM LLC registered in 2016-03-29
Domain 07-Apr-2015
They lease servers with Known providers here at WHT
Just going by the cheapest server that would remotely support a VPS and of course they would be SATA drives would be $168 32G ram and leaving cpanel out of the equation.
We will keep it simple and say all of the vps are the 4G variety.
They could put 8 on it without overselling 15x8 = $120 net profit -$48.00 oops
OK lets go with bigger one $348 with 64G ram they can fit 16 without overselling it 16x15= $240 oops that does not work either net profit -$118
Maybe they went colo
40U rack $1099 and they just happened to have 12 2x E5 with 64G ram ( I think that will fit the power ) machines that were given to them by magical elves.
Ok that works 240x12= $2880 net profit $1781 per rack (that is of course if they are are all 100% full)
The above does not include any IP's 192 of them just to have 1 Ipv4 on each server
Staff: Well hiring a good server admin is not cheap.
For augment sake lets say the owner is **** hot and knows everything and needs to fill his sleep time with one so so server admin just to get by. So you looking at another $1060 down to $721 (that is ultra conservative)
That does not include all the other miscellaneous business expenses phone, travel, remote hands, shipping, accounting/payroll, etc, etc
So as long as your server supplier is magical elves that's is a working business model with almost 0 profit
Now could they have got a nice volume discount for services sure they could have but it would be in the $100's not the $1000's
I just went by the retail prices posted on their providers respective we sites that matched what they offered.
For some reason the basic 2nd grade math is lost on the hosting industry.
If its to good to be true it probably is.
my 2 cents
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| Posted by Nnyan, 08-24-2016, 10:56 AM |
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I think they are pointing to you that there are some minimal costs related to hosting, I will not be one that tells you that getting TRIPLE of your requirements at HALF of your cost can't be found, it can. So no doubt that you can find "hosts" that will meet your requirements at your price point or less. Your post/story/arc/whatever is not new, if you spend some time here you'll hear it again and again. And it almost always plays out the same way.
Too often new members posting about some unknown host that they magically found (but oddly quite often not on the forum they are posting on) are just in one way or another shills for some craptastic "host". The reviews will be glowing but not real and soon enough found out and debunked.
Or they are in the early stages of learning the reality of quality hosting and will make the mistake of signing on to sub-par hosting with unrealistic prices and after a short time reality hits them square in the face and if they are fortunate they just lose some money and learn from their mistake and don't repeat them (and keep posting about how happy they were at first until everything went south on them).
Anyway my suggestion is to not sign up for a long term commitment (stay month to month) and be ready to confirm yourself as a customer when you post your review.
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| Posted by Lucianhn, 08-24-2016, 12:07 PM |
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My good man, I am not in any way affiliated with IOzoom. They do have an account on this forum and have posted threads promoting themselves. I have not received a single cent from IOzoom, nor will I ever. I found them by searching on google "managed VPS" and my budget.
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| Posted by HostingBig, 08-24-2016, 12:46 PM |
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You came here and asked don't be surprised when the opinion of every response is the same.. without heavy overselling and sub par support its not a sustainable business model
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| Posted by whmcsguru, 08-24-2016, 02:59 PM |
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Yeah, you're going to have to up your price. At a minimum, you're looking at double, more likely triple your cost
cPanel alone is going to cost you a minimum of $12-15 for a VPS product
There's absolutely no way you're going to get any sort of 'quality' management at the price you're looking for, much less quality network services.
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| Posted by Lucianhn, 08-24-2016, 04:25 PM |
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lol, I just found another company that offers managed VPS with 3GB of RAM and cPanel for $25 a month... I even talked to their support team and they confirmed me that the prices are real.
You guys seem rather greedy.
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| Posted by whmcsguru, 08-24-2016, 04:50 PM |
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Just because a company 'offers' something at $25 - $30 / month isn't a reason to trust their offerings. In fact, that's a reason to stay AWAY from the provider, because it's a sure hint that they aren't looking towards the future. Now, if this was unmanaged? Totally different story. You might be in the ballpark (if you wanted an oversold server).
Again, break it down here
$15/month for the cPanel license
$15/month for the VPS (and that's INCREDIBLY oversold)
Where, exactly do you expect them to pay their server admins from?
Take this little test, you'll see just how unrealistic you're being.
Pick up your phone
Call the local computer shop. You know, the guys with the qualifications to fix your PC/laptop, those with year after year of experience
Ask them how much they charge you, PER HOUR to work on your system
I guarantee you, not one of them will answer at under $35, if you even GET $35/hr. In most cases, it will be upwards of $50/hr
The question is very simple... How important is your website. Are you going to trust it to virtual unknown individuals who will rip you off for $30/month, or are you going to upgrade to professional service which is going to end up making you more money in the longrun.
Treat people with the respect they deserve, quit trying to cheap out. It's not about greed, it's about paying quality price for a quality product.
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| Posted by Lucianhn, 08-24-2016, 04:57 PM |
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I don't exactly understand what you understand by "managing". All I want is for them to transfer my site, install the cPanel and optimize the server to have the site running fast. I'll take my own backups.
I don't make ANY money from my website because I don't have ads on it and I support it from my personal budget.
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| Posted by whmcsguru, 08-24-2016, 05:03 PM |
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Yeah, you're asking way too much for $30/month.
revisit your needs. You don't need a VPS, shared hosting will be fine. If you've outgrown shared, then look into ads, or other methods of user financial support.
No business should ever be expected to support your hosting 'just because'.
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| Posted by ioZoom, 08-24-2016, 07:22 PM |
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Hi Lucianhn,
Thanks for the mention of IO Zoom.
Without getting into detail, different companies have different business models/plans. For some it may be hard to sustain due to available capital but for us it's sustainable as we are looking at volume and long term. If you have any questions about our service please do contact us. Thanks!
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| Posted by vps_newbie, 08-25-2016, 03:55 AM |
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I did some quick research about IO ZOOM. The only thing that impresses me is the price, which is unsustainable. They registered their domain in April 2015, which means that they have been in business for just over a year. Their address is in an Asian shopping mall in Houston. I cannot tell if it is a mail drop or a real office.
Management means more than just setting up cPanel for you. It means monitoring logs for signs of attack, applying security updates, installing software, troubleshooting, and most important: Backups!
If his/her data is important, @Lucianhn should be very careful to maintain some type of independent backup, in case something happens to IO ZOOM, which I believe is very possible.
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| Posted by Lucianhn, 08-25-2016, 05:32 AM |
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An Asian shopping mall? Wow! how did you manage to find that out?
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| Posted by Andei, 08-25-2016, 06:03 AM |
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Simple.
Search their company name here: https://mycpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/coaSearch.do
Get the address.
Find the address on google maps.
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| Posted by vps_newbie, 08-25-2016, 10:37 AM |
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I did a whois lookup of "iozoom.com", then looked at the street view of the registered address in Google Maps. On Google Maps, the shopping center is called the "Hong Kong City Mall." See: http://www.hkcitymall.com/store.html. B22 is a corner office on the second floor. The mall directory lists it as "Available for Rent," but maybe the mall doesn't update their website frequently enough.
I also note that IO ZOOM's address is on their website, too, at the bottom of their Contact page.
I like @Andei's method better - because it shows us the owner's name, "KIET T DUONG." Somehow Andei knew to do the lookup in Texas' business database.
I wish I could tell you more about IO ZOOM as a VPS provider, but I have no actual history with them. What they are offering seems too good to be true at that price. Their time-in-business is low, but everyone has to start somewhere.
If this were a hobby VPS and I wanted a fully managed system with cPanel, I would think about it. If this is a production website for a real business that depends on it, I would be nervous. No matter what, I would download frequent backups (daily?) to my home computer, just in case.
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| Posted by Nnyan, 08-25-2016, 10:47 AM |
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Could you point out exactly where I stated that you are affiliated wit IOZoom? Dost protest too much. You came here for advice, you got it but seem to want to dismiss it since you found a host that gives you what you want. You seemed to be reacting in a defensive way and I was just telling you some background info. I also did a search for "Managed VPS" and after the first 15 pages I gave up since I didn't see IOZoom.
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| Posted by Lucianhn, 08-25-2016, 11:24 AM |
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Right here:
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| Posted by Nnyan, 08-26-2016, 10:50 AM |
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And you were giving a review of them where? As you kindly quoted (thank you) I said that new members come here giving a review of unknown hosts and are often proved not to even be real customers just shills.
I was pointing out a dynamic that happens on these forums which explains why members were giving you the advice that you were dismissing by pointing to one host that gave you what you wanted. My point is that you need to do your due diligence and not count on a few reviews (which there don't even seem to be too many). But I will say that your reactions are certainly a red flag in my mind. In any way I'm done with this post and wish you the best.
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| Posted by ImpressHost, 08-26-2016, 10:56 AM |
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I searched Managed VPS and didn't find iozoom in google search. So how you found by google search?
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| Posted by cglegion, 08-26-2016, 11:25 AM |
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Wow, @vps_newbie you don't sound like your username at all. It's good that you shared the background lookup research to us. I need to find my lost cat and where she is now *jk*.
I know one unsustainable business before. I've been with VPSd**e for almost a year and they suddenly closed down out of the blue. Now, it's back up again not sure if it's the same runner or new owner but the layout looks the same. I don't recommend them because tranferring stuff were time consuming... Sorry my english sucks
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| Posted by vps_newbie, 08-26-2016, 12:01 PM |
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Your English is easy to understand. Your cat is in a nearby tree, but will soon hide under the bushes. :-)
Thank you for the compliment. When I joined WHT in 2012, I was a complete newbie about VPSs, and the name seemed appropriate for someone with a lot of basic questions. Perhaps I have learned a little since then.
Here is one lesson that I can share:
If you watch these threads long enough, you will begin to learn the common patterns. There are not that many. This thread falls into the pattern of "I want a VPS with XYZ features, and my budget is not high enough for those features."
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| Posted by HostXNow_Chris, 08-27-2016, 05:09 AM |
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It is possible to get such specs and pricing from providers who are running promotions, and you may well get good services for several years, but at some point, they may increase the cost of your VPS. The offers are usually to gain your business. If you are happy to maybe get a decent service for such low price for 1-3 years and have them up the price at a later date then, the offer may work well for you. Hopefully, you enjoy it while it lasts.
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