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Posted by SuperSim, 06-29-2001, 03:42 PM
Check this out, I found a US host that offer the same as Donhost, the only diference is the OS its not Unix its Windows. They are www.datapacket.net They offer unlimited domains for a flat fee. Ok Guys I need your feedback here. It looks a little scary with that UNMETRED BANDWIDTH Anyone knows anything about them?? their uptime??
Posted by drhonk, 06-29-2001, 08:47 PM
Unlimited space, unlimited domains, unlimited bandwidth .. hmm.. too many unlimited stuff. I saw a thread on datapacket.net yesterday .. so I called the number on their website to check them out. No answer. Tried again this morning .. no answer. I even try their live help from their website .. no answer either. I'm going to try their sales email address ..and see how fast they can reply to my email .. hehe..
Posted by support=profit, 06-29-2001, 10:22 PM
Have a look at this: http://www.hostsearch.com/showcommen...mpanycode=3063 and this: http://www.findbandmembers.com/news/news.asp support=profit Last edited by support=profit; 06-29-2001 at 10:38 PM.
Posted by drhonk, 06-29-2001, 10:57 PM
Well... that answer everybody's questions .. hehe... so with datapacket out of the list .. what would be another good NT hosting for reselling. (other than cosmotek) Preferably the one that give you access to add account, ms sql database in real time.
Posted by SuperSim, 06-30-2001, 11:02 AM
Thanks Guys, I think I will stay away from them. Can you recomend me a good reseller plan
Posted by WebSnail.net, 07-01-2001, 11:35 AM
Just a thought but shouldn't someone kill this thread or at least edit the first message so that the initial statement doesn't end up with some poor "didn't read the whole thread" type person losing money and hair. Some would argue that they deserve it but I'm feeling charitable today
Posted by Chicken, 07-01-2001, 12:33 PM
If you only read the first post and nothing else, then rush to sign up... ? Nahhh.
Posted by LBJ, 07-01-2001, 11:52 PM
G'day SuperSim, We have a few sites running on datapacket where we need ASP / MS-SQL / Cold Fusion, and have had no trouble at all. We may be lucky, but the longest we've ever waited for an email reply is about 6 hours, although normally we get a reply in less than 3. As I say, we may just be lucky, but our experience is certainly atypical to what has been presented here. Best Regards,
Posted by peachtreewebworks, 07-02-2001, 08:03 AM
LBJ - Do you know what kind of email server they are running for their web based mail (iMail, Rockliffe, etc) Thanks!
Posted by LBJ, 07-02-2001, 09:16 AM
G'day gadget, They are using MailMax for their POP/IMAP/SMTP. We don't actually use their web based package as we provide client web access via the servers in our own office. We use ICE Web Mail on top of a Merak Mail Server. Best Regards,
Posted by peachtreewebworks, 07-02-2001, 11:02 AM
LBJ - Thanks for the info. I was considering using them for some reselling, but they wouldn't provide that info to me. I'm not sure why as there's a limited number of mail servers out there and it really shouldn't be a "secret" Thanks, Michael
Posted by SuperSim, 07-02-2001, 11:18 AM
Hello, I currently have a reseller account just like yours, but your plan looks very unreal. "Unlimited bandwidth" , Is this real?? As far as I know Bandwidth prices money... My current clienets consume a total of 47GB of bandwidth monthly, and 400 domains. I am curently hosted at UK provider, that offers the same package for aprox. the same price about $52 and they give me 50GB bandwidth monthly and $7 for extra 1 GB of Bandwith. I currently charge my clientes about $2 a month, very cheap, I try to help webmasters that are starting out. I want to switch to other provider because all my clients are not from UK, 85% of them are from the US and I belive if I host them on a US server it will be faster. Ok. here it goes... After I told you this are you still interested in having me as a reseller? Can you handle it? Thank you Their reply: -------------- Hi, Your requirements would not be a problem. We do not charge for or monitor bandwidth only server resources such as cpu and memory. 47GB for 400 customers is pretty low. The monthly fee is $49.95 per month and we do not charge extra for control panels or FrontPage, etc... for your customers. I mention this because if you are with the UK provider I think you are they do. If we can assist you further please let us know. JB DPN ------------------- What do you think??
Posted by Mivo, 07-02-2001, 03:48 PM
LBJ, How long have you been with DPN? To my knowledge you're the first DPN customer to post on this board. All the negative comments about DPN here was due to DPN's almost unbelievable super cheap deals.
Posted by Mivo, 07-02-2001, 03:56 PM
SuperSim, They are currently offering $39.95/month WHT specials with no setup fee. Additionally they have a 30 day money back guarantee. There is too much to gain from your end. If I were you, I would grab this offer and put several sites on the server but leaving everything intact on your old server and see how it goes from there. And... please let us know how it goes from there.
Posted by SuperSim, 07-02-2001, 04:24 PM
Je je.... do you want me to take the chance then come back and tell you ther robed me....
Posted by Mivo, 07-02-2001, 04:37 PM
I'm about to jump but if someone else jump ahead of me I'll be happy.
Posted by SuperSim, 07-02-2001, 04:40 PM
Ok, Take the chance. And tell us how it was your experience
Posted by Mivo, 07-02-2001, 04:48 PM
That is why I'm happy that LBJ is here to enlighten us more.
Posted by SuperSim, 07-02-2001, 05:06 PM
LBJ: How long it took to set up your account?
Posted by LBJ, 07-02-2001, 06:44 PM
G'day Mivo, We've only been using DPN for just under a month. We run our own servers in-house and have for a number of years hosted all our sites on our own equipment. We only recently decided to test outsourcing a few sites because of the *incredible* difference in backchanel charges between Aus and USA, and we wanted access to an ASP/MS-SQL/CF solution as well. We have six sites on their servers and we've added them to our monitoring software that keeps an eye on our own servers. We test all http servers once every 2 minutes with timeout value of 10 seconds. Since we've been monitoring we've encountered 2 downtimes of 6 minutes and 10 minutes. DPN advised that both times were due to server reboots after system configuration. On 2 occasions their mail management software chucked a wobbly, but it was back up in a few minutes. I don't think we had any other incidents at all. We maintain full DNS control of our sites locally on our own servers. We feel that leaves us with more control to immediately move our sites back to our own servers if anything scary happens. I hope this info is useful. Best Regards,
Posted by LBJ, 07-02-2001, 06:47 PM
G'day SuperSim, To actually activate our reseller account took about a day since we had to sign a physical contract and fax it back to DPN. However, the creation, modification, and deletion of accounts & domains on their servers is all handled in realtime via their control panel - Hosting Controller. Best Regards,
Posted by Mivo, 07-02-2001, 07:14 PM
LBJ, Thanks for your reply. Can you give me the URL of any one of your sites hosted with DPN? You may send it privately. Thanks.
Posted by LBJ, 07-02-2001, 07:17 PM
G'day Mivo, Done. Best Regards,
Posted by arrty, 07-04-2001, 01:13 AM
dpnh, I am looking for a reseller plan that offer me the same features as yours and at first sight it does look too good to be true. I think that nobody on this forum has tried to intentionally harm your business instead as your future customers we have a right to ask questions and they should be properly answered, not just the ones that you feel comfortable with. First of all there is nothing on earth that is unlimited. There has to be a limit somewhere if its not bandwith then it might be CPU usage or disk space. Also I would like to know why you are not willing to answer our questions here as its much better and will help many other resellers as well. I have already sent you an e-mail and the reply i got was not at all satisfactory as it did'nt contain any specific answers. 1) I would like to know the specifications of your servers (the ones intended for reseller accounts only) 2) How many maximum Resellers do you have on each server 3) How many domains can each server handle ( 25MB DiskSpace, 5 POP, 100MB transfer pm, little cgi usage) And what if the domain limit on each server is exeeded will you shift some resellers to a new server or let the server slow down. (Again: Please don't tell me the servers can handle unlimited domains, we all know that is not true)
Posted by LBJ, 07-04-2001, 04:47 PM
G'day All, In a previous post I advised that over the month that we've had half a dozen test sites with datapacket.net they've only experienced around 15 minutes of downtime detected with monitoring every 2 minutes. However, last night (well night for us anyway) their server hosting our clients' sites went down and has been now for over 5 hours. It's not a major problem for us because we retain a copy of the sites on our own servers and we maintain DNS control locally also, but if you weren't in such a lucky position you'd be more than a little upset now. The actual downtime of the server doesn't worry us the most (although it seems an inordinately long time to effect a repair of even the largest proportions in a well prepared NOC), but since the server went down we've not been able to achieve any communication with DPN by email, online chat, or telephone. I know you guys are all in national holiday mood over there, but if one of our servers had been down for *much* less than 5 hours we'd have techo and support staff onsite even on Christmas day. It seems an odd way to run a "network which is used by the Microsoft Network, AOL, CompuServe and many other of the world's leading Internet providers." (quote from datapacket.net) Best Regards,
Posted by SuperSim, 07-04-2001, 05:05 PM
uuhhh!!! that is a very long time for a down time. I think I will stay away from them. Thanks LBJ
Posted by LBJ, 07-04-2001, 09:10 PM
G'day SuperSim, 10 hours now and still no communication. Best Regards,
Posted by Mivo, 07-04-2001, 09:28 PM
LBJ, Not a good sign at all. For over a month now I've been exchanging e-mails with Brian of DPN and he (they) always responded to issues I wish to clarify. The other night (after you sent me your URL) I placed an order for their NT reseller account (yes SuperSim I did jump in ahead of you ) but its almost 48 hours now and I've never heard anything from them regarding my order. On the other thread at the Advertising Forum there is also a guy from NSW who placed an order 4 days ago and also never heard anything from them. I'm a bit confused at this point about DPN's behaviour.
Posted by WebSnail.net, 07-05-2001, 05:53 AM
I think at this point I'd be asking someone local to go and check that the offices aren't being shutdown and the receivers being called in... It certainly doesn't sound good.
Posted by SuperSim, 07-05-2001, 10:09 AM
Mivo, Did you try to call them?
Posted by Mivo, 07-05-2001, 10:48 AM
I think it's pointless to call as they are acting quite irresponsibly. I will just have to stop charges to my credit card if they had indeed charged me.
Posted by SuperSim, 07-05-2001, 11:03 AM
Dont worry MIVO, I think they always take that long to setup the account, I saw it somewhere at hostsearch reviews.
Posted by Mivo, 07-05-2001, 10:16 PM
Guys, I've just got my reseller account setup. Cool. LBJ, how's your sites with DPN, are they still down? The URL you gave me still resolves to your Ozi server.
Posted by LBJ, 07-06-2001, 12:39 AM
G'day Mivo, We've moved our test sites back to our own in-house servers here in Oz. DPN is simpy *way* too unstable for us. Our main site at DPN came back up eventually for a short time, but our access to control panels was never restored. We have cancelled our account with DPN and emailed them to arrange for a refund of our payment. Interestingly when we checked with our bank it turns out DPN had't actually got around to putting through our charge yet. I would suggest they are no doubt honest people, but possibly they just underestimated the work involved in running a public hosting business. We have still received no replies to any of our attempted contacts by email, online chat, or phone. Best Regards, Last edited by LBJ; 07-06-2001 at 03:06 AM.
Posted by Mivo, 07-06-2001, 01:02 AM
LBJ, Too bad. If you're still looking for NT servers, you may check Cosmotek.net. I've got a few accounts there for the past couple of months. I find there support to be responsive. Uptime is good as well.
Posted by peachtreewebworks, 07-06-2001, 07:42 AM
Mivo - What kind of info were you required to sign off on and fax to them? Please keep us posted on your experiences with DPN... Thanks, Michael
Posted by Mivo, 07-06-2001, 10:18 AM
Michael, I was not asked to faxed anything though I was expecting them to send me some documents for me to sign and fax. I just filled up their reseller online order form plus I sent them e-mail notifying them I was ordering their WHT special and that was it. When the account was set up, they sent me a 1 page document for instruction how to use the reseller account. Initially I'll be using this account as a backup space for my dedicated server files and transfer over some of my non-critical high bandwidth sites. Let's see what happens.
Posted by arrty, 07-06-2001, 09:04 PM
Dear Readers and Members, I came across WHT just a week ago and since have been spending 2-3 hours a day here. I am a webmaster just entering the web hosting(reseller) arena. So far I have read negative reviews about each and every host that I make up mind mind to become a reseller of. This have made my life miserable as I am now left with no host . Heres my situation: - I can't afford to pay one times or high monthly fees. - I can't go with the very confirmed reliable hosts as I don't make much profit with them having to pay them most of my revenue. - I know people like me have to take risks and can't afford to play it safe like the big boys. This is why I have decided to go with either Donhosts or Datapacket. I know its very risk but I am willing to take it. But before I choose between the two I would like some help from experienced persons. For example I have a dedicated server P3-800MHz, 512MB RAM, 60GB HD. What will be the maximum number of 20MB domains that I can host on it before the server starts to slow down. I would require very little cgi usage. I am asking this for mainly two reasons. 1) If I get kicked of the reseller hosting there should be some place I could run to. 2) By knowing how many sites can be hosting on one server and asking DonHost how many resellers they have on on server I should be able to calculate an estimate of their domain limit. Thank You
Posted by Chicken, 07-06-2001, 11:55 PM
As a webmaster, your clients should be paying for the space of their sites. You know it doesn't come cheap, so don't forget to tell them this and offer then monthly or yearly hosting 'included' withe the design that breaks down to roughly $15-$20/mo (or more). If they claim they can get hosting for $5/mo, and ask why it is so expensive, just ask them why they don't drive a Yugo? Let them know that their site is important to you, and that you do not sell Yugo web hosting. (Note: No offense to $5 hosts here. In this context, I feel what I posted might help this person. I'm not saying that $5 hosts are bad, rather that he has to sell the client a bit to make the understand that his prices are more than $5/mo.)
Posted by SuperSim, 07-08-2001, 09:22 AM
Mivo , LBJ How it going with dp? is everything ok??
Posted by Mivo, 07-08-2001, 10:20 AM
Supersim, Check the posts above. LBJ has canceled his accounts with DPN. Myself, I threw in to the DPN server about 800MB of tarball but when I came back, the file was deleted and replaced with a READ.txt that tells me: "Server space should not be used for back up and file serving. " Well I think that it's good that they monitor their server for abuse. The potential is good to host regular clients -- if it's proven that they have server stability.
Posted by LBJ, 07-08-2001, 02:34 PM
G'day SuperSim, Please see my previous post about 8 messages back. Best Regards,
Posted by SuperSim, 07-08-2001, 04:53 PM
sorry I didnt see it. thanks
Posted by rainbows, 07-08-2001, 10:26 PM
Mivo, I have some question about datapacket. May be you can answer some. 1. How long they setup your reseller account after summited order? 2. For adding new domian name/sub-domain from your control panel, Does it update in real time? 3. Which DBMS do they use, MS-SQL or MySQL or both? 4. Is it possible to see control panel interface? 5. Could you tell me URL of your site which running on server? Thank you for your answer. Krit
Posted by Mivo, 07-08-2001, 10:56 PM
rainbows, in answer to your questions: 1. My account was set up 3 days after signup. 2. Adding domains update in real time. 3. I didn't see any MySQL on the control panel. Only the default SQL server with MS-Access and Excel drivers. I presume this MS-SQL. 4. The conrol panel used is Hosting Controller v. 1.4. This is quite popularly used among NT boxes though many of the features were not being made available by DPN including Help. You may check http://hostingcontroller.net or at Dave Central, http://www.davecentral.com/16038.html. 5. I have no working websites uploaded at the moment since I'm still preparing my packages to offer but I've got one domain pointing there now: http://islandsouvenirs.com.
Posted by Mivo, 07-08-2001, 11:20 PM
Oh I forgot one more thing. DPN doesn't offer web based e-mail which I thought was already part of the package but yes, it wasn't included when I read the feature offer again. This one is what I've missed and in fact gives me second thoughts on continuing with the server. I've got a couple NT reseller accounts with two different servers and both have web based e-mail features. One of them is also using Hosting Controller. Basically what I wanted to do with the DPN server was 1) use some space to back up some of my dedicated server data (I found out this is not possible) and 2) transfer my NT accounts from other servers to here but because there is no web based e-mail at DPN I also found out not possible. So yeah.... I got second thought whether to continue.
Posted by seeker, 07-09-2001, 12:24 AM
Hey Mivo, What are those other companies you are reselling with? Just curious coz am considering reselling NT
Posted by Mivo, 07-09-2001, 01:29 AM
http://cosmotek.net http://sentris.com
Posted by SuperSim, 07-09-2001, 10:18 AM
Hey Mivo, How is sentris, it is Good? How is their uptime? Support? Are they someone you can trust? Thanks
Posted by Mivo, 07-09-2001, 12:21 PM
I've got NT reseller account with Sentris since January this year. No major mishap but network slow at times. Support is 6 to 7 in a scale of 10 and could be expensive as they nickel and dime you to do minor things. They don't give you control to assign space limits to your accounts and this to me is a major drawback as a reseller. Oh yeah they can do it but it's $15 a pop. Another irritant is everytime you set up a domain you have to send them e-mail for them to enable the logging to the webmail control panel and only then you can start creating e-mail accounts. I would recommend Cosmotek.
Posted by SuperSim, 07-09-2001, 12:46 PM
do you mean $15 a pop email? Can you create ftp to resold account with ipless domain?
Posted by Mivo, 07-09-2001, 05:40 PM
do you mean $15 a pop email? What I mean was everytime you request them to assign space quota to a client, they charge $15. >> Can you create ftp to resold account with ipless domain? Yes.
Posted by inquisitive, 07-10-2001, 03:09 PM
namaste (indian version of hello) Do not go with sentris now it seems their servers are clogged .. they allow unlimited domains to be hosted on their servers on any reslller plan Which kills the quality and speed. they offer support within 12 hours in most cases... the server speed is very slow at times.. uptime is a problem though they do offer 99% uptime guarantee.. the bad things about sentris : their servers seems to be clogged with accounts The memory seems to be low as compared to the load on servers. To create any mail account domain you have to mail them and wait for their mail and they do not offer the support on saturdays and sundays Offer UNLIMITED TRANSFER now see their TOS. No space quotas that could be defined on resold accounts. the minimum setup fee for any job to get done is US$15 now that included error 404 setup which most of the host offer free .. Benifits : Gud for entry level hosting. Full fetured hosting including support for access and MS SQL Full featured control panel. ability to host multiple domains . Farely reasonable support. quite cheap as compared to other plans. The question is wheather you want to host personal websites or you are planning for business websites. I would not recommend sentris for business based hosting though its a wonderful option for Personal websites.
Posted by rainbows, 07-12-2001, 10:32 PM
Mivo, Again, Do DPN's server support PHP4? Thanks.
Posted by Mivo, 07-13-2001, 01:13 AM
Yep PHP4 is supported. Check here for other features offered: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...1&pagenumber=1

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