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| Posted by Linkup, 04-18-2003, 11:09 AM |
| I am looking for hosting to store video and allow potentially hundreds of viewers to watch and possibly download. I don't plan on selling anything right now.
My question is approxiamately how much space and data transfer would I be needing a month.
I wouldn't be marketing but submitting to a rather large emailing group. Sending video out via email bothers people uninterested or unable to watch streaming video, which brings me to the next question. Does video-streaming have to be included in the package and what else will I need or not need?
Thank you for your consideration.
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| Posted by Linkup, 04-18-2003, 11:11 AM |
| Just to add, I know that 'IT Depends on how much video' so lets use an example of 1 hour vs. 10 hours
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| Posted by VNPIXEL, 04-18-2003, 10:19 PM |
| it also depend on how big the size of your video file and how many people will download it. Multiple the size of you video file to the estimate # of time how many user will download/stream then you will the answer.
I have one client that let people download his video files. He currently use 10 gigs of space and 150gb of bandwidth a month
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| Posted by jarekb, 04-18-2003, 10:27 PM |
| what kind of quality video files you are consider as o good one ?
Any examples ? I will help you to calculate requirments.
Are you going to use video servers for it or just only downloads?
There is a lot of aspects you have to consider.?
In you situation the best aproach is to give , some examples what you mean by hosting videos ? sorry for it but this is a way toget you on right food
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| Posted by Linkup, 04-18-2003, 11:05 PM |
| Okay, I don't think I will need to allow downloads if that is the case, 10 GB space etc.
The video's I have come from a Sony PC 100 digi-cam, so the quality is decent but far from great. I also want to take vhs tapes and transfer to my pc and edit. These come from TV News and the quality is good on vhs but once put to the pc the quality is reduced, which isn't a problem as it is just news bites.
So the quality and pixels is not that high but it would look good as a presentation.
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| Posted by Vinayak_Sharma, 04-18-2003, 11:21 PM |
| Linkup, the question still for you is how big your files are it makes no difference how you made them. Now wether they are awailable for download or just to view, it will consume equal amount of traffic.
So just calculate it like this
Say you have a file of 100 Mb size
Each month 100 visitors download or view it, so you consume 10000 mb of traffic, so just calculate if you have 10, 20 ... etc similar files.
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| Posted by Linkup, 04-18-2003, 11:28 PM |
| Are you saying that if I have a 100 mb file, which seems to be about 10 minutes of video that I have been using, then that would translate times 100 visitors per month that watched the 10 minutes and that would would amount to 10 GB's data transfer?
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| Posted by Linkup, 04-18-2003, 11:29 PM |
| and downloadable or not doesn't make any difference?
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| Posted by Linkup, 04-18-2003, 11:51 PM |
| But, I just loaded Window Media Player 2 and if I save to AVI (for converting back to disk {actually says; converting back to tape}) and that one minute is 178 MB's, Whew! Me supposes thats for best quality and wouldn't apply here but the earlier assumption of 10 mbs per minute was because the file is compressed which host's won't allow. At least some that I have contacted have said that no compressing is allowable.
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| Posted by Vinayak_Sharma, 04-19-2003, 06:26 AM |
| Well your questio is about hosting requirements, and I had told here that what ever format you use, whatever technology you use. It's very simple to calculate that 100 mb file will take 100 mb space, 100 mb of traffic per instance. So dear Linkup, don't get confused just calculate your requriment and get a host for it.
And as what you have mentioned here, I think you will have to go for a dedicated server to this kind of hosting.
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| Posted by Rochen, 04-19-2003, 06:01 PM |
| Although I haven't used this to any great extent or tested it with high traffic loads. We were playing around with Apple's Darwin Streaming Server - which is a free download from http://www.apple.com and it works nicely
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| Posted by Linkup, 04-19-2003, 10:17 PM |
| Wow......but Apple.........???
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| Posted by mastwolf, 04-19-2003, 11:05 PM |
| You can use it on more than just "apple" machines...trust me, thats what we do
Windows Media still rules tho
Chris
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| Posted by TalonKarrde, 04-20-2003, 04:20 AM |
| What's wrong with Apple? They make great comps.
Anyway, it took me a minute or two to find the streaming server, so I thought I would put a direct link to it here.
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/
Looks like it would suit your needs well.
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| Posted by Linkup, 04-20-2003, 03:39 PM |
| I am not sure what to do with this. This is a free download, and we can do what with this? I haven't had much time to review this as I am having some issues with the new sony drx-500 burning for us but sony should be able to straighten that out for us.
Taking a quick look at this makes me wonder if this is something to add to our site and then post different streaming video there each day or whenever and then the space/bandwidth is lessened?
It looked like an apple server for mac there but apparently this quicktime program can be used or choice between other file types?
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| Posted by userfriendly, 04-21-2003, 02:07 PM |
| You want a dedicated server, and having Darwin can be a great idea.. Darwin can be used to stream most types of media, and there are a lot of great features that allow you to control bandwidth usage, etc.
If you really want to conserve bandwidth, use Real.. I personally hate the Real format, and I hate the helix licensing fees even more... but it will do the job.
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| Posted by Linkup, 04-22-2003, 07:59 AM |
| We were recently told to call our Internet Provider at Verizon for our dsl and that they could provide space for video files as long as we didn't go crazy with over 100 GB's. We don't know the validity of that and don't want to call them cold without knowing enought about what we're doing.
Does anyone know anything about this? We are still searching for a host after waiting for cybrisk to bring back his RS Silver Plan but that price went up $14 month. Imagine waiting almost ten days since I tried to open an account there and hearing that and NOW we see that maybe he didn't pay his bills....Ouch, but we feel now that we are probably better off not getting involved with them.......
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| Posted by Dr_Vang, 04-23-2003, 03:33 PM |
| Let me give you some info:
File formats:
Real Audio
Windows Media
Quicktime
100mb = $20/Month
500mb = $40/Month
1gig = $60/MOnth
Streaming Bitrates
192kbps x $6 per concurrent user
256kbps x $8 per concurrent user
400kbps x $12 per concurrent user
544kbps x $16 per concurrent user
Concurrent users are how many people at one time can view the streaming feed.
example: 1 video encoded at 192kbps x 10 concurrent users will be 10 x 6 = $60 per month.
Post for more info.. PS this is not something offered by me.. Just comparasions from other web sites out there..
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| Posted by Linkup, 04-23-2003, 05:48 PM |
| I appreciate the info-links but I don't think we are quite ready for dedicated servers or a hundred bucks a month. We are looking for solutions that work around that.
What about the DSL server taking some space as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Does anyone know about that?
Most hosts don't allow for zipping as far as we have seen.
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| Posted by fretless, 05-17-2003, 02:34 AM |
| I think you'd just need a host that provides the free version of RealServer... I know that those hosts who use the Appies Web Site Manager provide the free RealServer - it maxes out at 25 concurrent users though however that should be plenty for what sounds like a fairly small scale job. Here is a list of hosts that use this (including mine):
http://www.hostselect.info/cgi-bin/h...istonly+portal
There are companies who specialize in streaming media such as vitalstream.com and synccast.com and Powerstream but costs are very high.
As for Darwin - it's supposed to be a good tool and delivers content to Quicktime players which most people have, but not sure that many hosts actually install this. A lot of people want to use Windows media player though so I'd look into a technology to just link to windows media files without actually streaming called Fast Start. It's not streaming but good enough. see http://www.streamingmedia.com/articl...id=8259&page=4
cleanerXL is a good bit of encoding software but is pricey:
http://www.discreet.com/cleanerxl/
but if you have a friend who owns it they could easily prepare your file(s) at various bitrates and in multiple formats (Quicktime, Real, and Windows Media).
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