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Posted by xn1x, 08-28-2004, 05:10 PM
Hello All: I've looked and searched and researched more for the best resellers. I've read reviews and asked tons of questions and even tested some of the resellers. Anyway, based on your experience of any of these resellers what are their Pros & Cons ??? site5.com pixiehost.com riothost.com webspace4less.com surpasshosting.com webhostingbuzz.com I was thinking about going with surpasshosting but they can't even respond to an email with a few simple questions about their fees and hosting options. Still if you think they are good, I'd like to know why... All of these have good and bad reviews. I understand that it would be hard to please everyone. I'm just looking for good solid facts about these companies from the people who have actually used them. Thanks... Peter
Posted by jpetrov, 08-28-2004, 09:52 PM
What methodology did you use to make this list?
Posted by xn1x, 08-28-2004, 10:45 PM
I found these sites reading different posts, review sites, and basic searches on the net. Afterwards I went to the sites and checked out their plans and pricing. Then I took the site info and did a search in the forums to find out what other people thought. If that was good enough... I contacted each company with several questions. I was also able to see how fast they were able to respond and if their answers were adequate. I also did a "whois" search on them to see how long the site has been up and to get some other general info. So that's how I've come across these sites. The packages were based on what I was looking for which was a good amount of storage space, bandwidth, unlimited (domains, subdomains, ftp, email...), Unix/Linux OS, 24/7 support, and a few other things. I also checked on the additional fees which is NOT always listed on their site such as additional IP addresses and SSL Certs... I found another site called Dailyhosting.net. I Plan to contact them on Monday with some questions and do some more research on them... Hope that answers your question. =)
Posted by bart_arg, 08-29-2004, 01:21 AM
The King is HTTPME. Put your sites there, and then go to play chess! (a little expensive, only a little)
Posted by xn1x, 08-29-2004, 02:47 AM
I've looked at httpme. Sure, they better be good for what they charge. That's just not the direction I'm looking to go. I'm trying to find a decently priced reseller account that offers quality service with a great package deal. For the price ranges on httpme I would consider getting a dedicated server or some of the other packages in that price range offered by some of the other good hosting companies. Currently, I'm just not there yet.
Posted by NeoGen, 08-29-2004, 06:51 AM
King in making is DDIHosting, excellent support, fantastic costs and fast servers. Its really a very good experience to be hosted with DDI. Keep up the great work Larry.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 08-29-2004, 07:58 AM
35/mth managed dedicated servers?
Posted by xn1x, 08-29-2004, 11:39 AM
On httpme you are paying $10 per GB of space. Their smallest plan is 2GB for $35 which not enough space or bandwidth for me. Their largest plan is 6GB for $75. For that amount of money why not spend just a few more dollars and get a dedicated server with much more space and bandwidth???
Posted by InspiredH, 08-29-2004, 11:40 AM
Go with Gazzin.com, every time I put a support ticket in, they always reply within 10 minutes.
Posted by xn1x, 08-29-2004, 12:00 PM
Thanks, I just checked out DDIHosting. Their site seemed pretty good. Their offers were nice. They have been in business for less than a year. I did a search on these forums and what I found made me want to stay away. Refund and support issues... I'm taking my time now in finding a good quality reseller account so I won't have to worry about little things like that.
Posted by IHSL, 08-29-2004, 12:10 PM
Support, stability, quality. Disk space and bandwidth are useless if a company can't keep their servers up, stable, and supported. You're not paying $10 per GB of disk space. I'm sure Bob will tell you, disk and transfer allocations are secondary to support. As for Kings ( ) of the reseller hosting sector, I think there's only 5-6 companies in this sector that can lay claim to that crown, httpME would no doubt be in contention. Others mentioned in this thread have a lot of ground to make up, to be in competition with a company of httpME's stature. Simon Last edited by IHSL; 08-29-2004 at 12:13 PM.
Posted by xn1x, 08-29-2004, 12:21 PM
Gazzin.com has been up for less than half a year. The company is too new for me. I'm just not in a position to take a chance on a company that still may have a few bugs to work out. I did however do a search in the forum and the only thing I found was an issue with some uptime.
Posted by xn1x, 08-29-2004, 01:03 PM
I would have to agree with you completely about stability, quality and support. Those come above storage, bandwidth or any other feature. Without any question I'm sure HTTPME has all of that for the price you are paying. Every reseller has its ups and downs no matter what. There just has to be a reseller that can offer stability, quality, reliable support, and many of the features we all wish to have at a better price. I've been working with computers since Apple IIc and BBS was the highlight on a really REALLY slow modem using a monitor with no color and had a green tint. Now that's a long time. I've seen so many companies come up and crash down in every area of the industry from hardware, software, networking, and hosting. Take a good look at the HTTPME site. What is it missing? Compare it to other well established company sites. The 1st thing you should notice is that there is no information about the company itself. That alone shows the company is not well established. There is no real contact information (mailing address, Phone). It is registered to Steven from CA. There is a 800# listed from the whois search and when I called another hosting company name appears on the answering machine. The answering machine alone sounds like it is something found in a home. The forum on the site is a nice touch. The problem is that some of the pre-sales questions could be answered more easily by simple setting up a page with the facts about the company like how many employees and qualified techs, a page that discusses different fees and custom options. Instead people have to search these forums and read and read more to find the answers to some of the simple questions. So for my purposes they are not a company I'm going to go with.
Posted by bart_arg, 08-29-2004, 02:04 PM
Every reseller has its ups and downs no matter what." This does not happen at HTTPME. Last problem I remember was last year, with some problem of fire at the data center which was fastly solved. If you searc on HTTPME site, you will find information of the data center and more. Besides, do many resellers give the information you are searching for? When you experience lots of downtimes (as happened to me with Sterlet) you understand the value of 99,9% uptime. But, Bob, give me a discount!!!
Posted by Profuse-Will, 08-29-2004, 03:52 PM
Gazzin.com is a new side company ran by Psychz Networks. http://www.psychz.net they have been around for almost 3 years serving businesses and corporate account. They started gazzin.com because many resellers were looking for more space / bandwidth and anonymity with their name servers. We have applied 3 years of experience to gazzin.
Posted by M7I, 08-29-2004, 03:58 PM
The other company was likely InsiderHosting. They have recently purchased HTTPMe and are running it as an independent company as it a very successful and unique hosting company. Good Luck in your search.
Posted by xn1x, 08-29-2004, 05:36 PM
As I mentioned HTTPME seems like a good company to work with but its just not for me. The simple contact information, info about the company, and basic FAQs are usually answered and easily found on a well established company's site. Even the company's terms and conditions or policies are not found on the 1st page. Sure if I took the time to do a few searches on HTTPME I could probably find answers to some technical questions. The simple stuff as mentioned previously should be available at just a click away. For you and maybe others this is a good hosting company for your needs but not for mine.
Posted by xn1x, 08-29-2004, 06:09 PM
Ok, I've searched the site carefully. I like how it is setup. I will add gazzin.com to my list and do more research on forums and review sites. I also sent a simple email question thing to your sales dept. Funny, the auto-response feature/layout for gazzin.com and surpasshosting.com are exactly the same... Once all my research is done on the companies that appeal to me I'll list the top3, reasons for choosing them, and a few months leave feedback on the company I went with. Gosh, didn't think it would be this hard but after reading some of the stuff in these forums its a good thing I'm taking my time now...
Posted by James K, 08-29-2004, 07:13 PM
I'm not a customer of HTTPme, but I managed to find their information with just 2 clicks. I suppose that's just one click too many for you. All about HTTPme.com It was located in the first page.
Posted by snickn, 08-29-2004, 07:20 PM
You either understand the .COMmunity style, or you don't...We only target those who understand and end up liking the .COMmunity structure. Funny. As one of the larger cPanel hosts who focus on reseller accounts and maintain their own cage and own all equipment inside of it, if we're not "established" i'm not sure who is. :eek2 We're owned by InsiderHosting, all contact information and what not is listed clearly. We're not run from someone's home..nor are we run from dedicated servers owned by another company, we maintain a large cage which is completely owned by us, racks, servers, networking equipment, everything down to the crash cart. Anyhow, like I said, it all boils down to our target audience, people who understand and end up prefering the .COMmuinty based site.
Posted by xn1x, 08-29-2004, 08:21 PM
Its funny to see all of you jump all over me over HTTPME. Yes, it was my mistake I did take a good look at the front page and the info is there. The forum style setup thru me off. I've been searching now for a while and if things aren't as clear as day than... I'd probably be blind to it. I never said the company was not established. I said an estabilished company normally has the information easily accessed on the main page. Which Httpme does!!! I also said I'm sure it is a good hosting company but its just not what I'm looking for. So I apologize for my mistake and remarks about the lack of info on httpme. One day perhaps I too will jump on board with httpme but for right now its not for us.
Posted by snickn, 08-29-2004, 08:25 PM
My apologies if it felt I was "jumping all over you".
Posted by net-trend, 08-30-2004, 09:21 AM
It sounds like you know what you are looking for. That's good. I'm just curious on what your requirement is for the length of time a company should be in before it is deemed stable.
Posted by xn1x, 08-30-2004, 11:59 AM
According to "clanosiris," Gazzin.com is a new sub company of Psychz Networks who have been in business for 3yrs. I do like their package deals and so currently I'm doing research on them. A company cannot be "deemed stable" due to the length of time it is up and running alone. Look what happened to At&T. The time a company is up shows that it went thru some of the common mistakes and got past many of the trial period errors and found a nitch that works for them. If a company has truly been up for a year and running really well then they have past one of the hardest parts. Now they will have to find new ways to do this a 2nd, 3rd, 4th... time around and fend off the competition while keeping in mind that money is nice but high quality service to their clients is more important b/c only than money will follow. Clients will stick by them if they screw up a little due to the experience of service received over a period of time. Otherwise clients will run for the hills and the company name will be tarnished and sales will drop and not as much money will come in. So there is a lot to look for in finding a good, stable, reliable company. Time is always a good factor. Hope that answers your question. Gazzin.com is a new company with experience from another and I have them in my top 3-4 right now until I finished researching. I just might take a chance on them. It would be a bigger chance than I wanted to take but life is always gambled, never reserved.
Posted by innocent_designer, 08-30-2004, 02:19 PM
I first tried webhostingbuzz over a year ago, and I am delighted with their single-domain hosting packages. For $36 a year I get everything I need, and it's much cheaper than Brinkster for much more bandwidth etc. HOWEVER, I thought I'd try a reseller package, $100 a year, with cPanel etc. So far, about 1 - 2 months into the package, NO DICE. I am unable to get a second domain name to appear on the www under its domain name (the index.html file is not being found). Instead I get a directory listing. Attempts to get help from webhostingbuzz at first got me quick replies, but it became apparent that they only had two suggestions, which they have sent to me several times. Their only suggestions have been to "remove all .htaccess files" and to re-upload my text pages as ASCII and not as binary. For a non-technical person, "remove all .htaccess files" means not a lot to me. And using a cPanel/WHM module, selecting a file called ".htaccess" and trying to delete it doesn't work. I supplied them with my login information, including password, to see if they could fix it, and they cannot. Now I have left a telephone message and sent an email requesting my $100 account be converted to a standard $36 account, and NO REPLY. So I cannot recommend webhostingbuzz. I suppose it's a matter of "you get what you pay for" and $100 a year is incredibly cheap for a reseller plan.
Posted by xn1x, 08-30-2004, 04:07 PM
Thank you so much for that. It helps a lot to hear from people who actual used the service. I've read else where about webhostingbuzz with similar experiences. I've read they offer excellent hosting options and service but reseller service isn't so good. Which is too bad. Another thing is they have "sold out" plans on their site which is kind of scary. It is however a good marketing strategy. The idea that the plans they offer are doing so well the servers are filling up to the point where it is sold out before new servers come in and are setup. Now if that is true, wouldn't the person in charge see this coming and plan ahead b/c this means they are losing money from potential customers who decided to take their business else where... Anyway, thanks again.
Posted by villadrive, 08-30-2004, 04:56 PM
This thread is great! It sounds like a lot of experience (pain) has been accumulated, but I will give my two cents, just in case you want a more naive opinion. There are a bazillion resellers out there now. I searched and searched an landed at p4host.com - good hardware, good service, minimal downtime. Keep in mind what you are NEEDING from your hosting company; If you are going to sell eCommerce hosting, you better find (and be willing to spend the $$$) a host with excellent reliability, customer/technical service 24X7, SSL certificates, and so on. If you are hosting sites generally not NEEDING 24X7 uptime and as close to 100% uptime as possible, then there are many good places. I like p4host.com even though I have had a couple brief periods (under 2 minutes each, except for the 1 non-DOS attack) of downtime, all but one (4 times total in the past year) were some sort of DOS attack. The 1 time it was not a DOS attack it was a simple hardware failure and the server was cutover in about 6 minutes. I pay $31.99/month for their Bulk reseller 2000 plan, including private nameservers and unique IP address. It is not easy to figure out, but keep posting here for recommendations and ideas on how to choose based on your needs. Happy searching! Jim
Posted by xn1x, 08-31-2004, 12:02 PM
Thanks for the advice. Some of the main issues dealing with these hosts are service and uptime. I'm sure all of them ran into some problems at one point or another. Hopefully, in the future it won't happen again but that is unlikely. They almost all offer 99.9% uptime but so many have issues actually making that statement true. Hey, I checked on that p4host site and the bulk 2000 plan is $25.99. I hope that extra few dollars is for IP addresses and nameservers. Thanks again for your advice.
Posted by ldcdc, 08-31-2004, 01:59 PM
They offer a guarantee, which doesn't mean they'll actually meet that level, just that they will somehow compensate you if they don't meet it.
Posted by SydneyJen, 08-31-2004, 07:19 PM
BGFweb.com is the best. Read their reviews here, you can't beat the costs and the support is great.
Posted by xn1x, 09-01-2004, 05:32 PM
The 99.9% uptime guarantee leaves a false impression to the customer who believes their sites will be up 99.9% of the time. Being compensated for each time a site is down for a significant amount of time due to the host is a hassle and can cost the customer a ton of money. Granted, if a host is down for a good period of time and compensates their clients that is acceptable. If it happens again and again that is not acceptable. If it happens once every few months that is a problem. If it happens once a year than I guess that would be acceptable to some people. The saying "time is money" is so true when it comes to web hosting. In some cases if a company's site is down for more than 15mins they lost several million dollars. Sometimes the company's damage is so bad that they have to consider closing the business. Other cases people are just pissed off. If you are hosting a 1000 websites and your host provider is down for several minutes you could lose a good amount of clients who decided to take their business somewhere more reliable. Often the compensation given is minimal compared to what you have to lose. You might get a free month from the hosting company that's worth $50(depending on your monthly charge) but losing several clients could be costing you $500 each month until you get new clients. Top it off getting new clients will be harder b/c people like to complain when they have been wronged.
Posted by IHSL, 09-01-2004, 06:07 PM
People often think that the 99.9% uptime guarantee is there solely for customers. Let me tell you, it isn't. Think about it in a literal sense: If GenericHost.com has a 99.9% uptime guarantee, that states they will refund all clients whose sites were not up for at least 99.9% of the time, then GenericHost is going to do all they can to make sure that the server(s) are up for that amount of time, week in, week out. After all, if they keep having to refund everyone each month, they aren't making any money Service level agreements are there for the benefit of both client, and vendor. Simon
Posted by ldcdc, 09-01-2004, 09:16 PM
That kind of website does not reside (nor does it belong) in a shared hosting environment. There are powerful solutions with redundancy involved which can effectively take the downtime to abysmal levels. Indeed, that's a big mistake that they make. The guarantee is there mostly for the host. Generally this is true. I agree. Yes, the customer receives something so he benefits from it. Note that not all hosts give free hosting for a month for not meeting the uptime level, so the host might still have a positive bottomline at the end of the month, without reaching that 99.9% uptime. Yes, the host is motivated to reach the specified level for financial reasons and to maintain a good reputation. This part is true. Fact is though that a web host is there to make money and its website is built with a main purpose: to sell. What better way to sell than to promise great uptime (an uptime guarantee) and excellent 24/7 support? The average prospective customer sees the 99.9% uptime guarantee and thinks that's the minimum level of uptime he'll get. We've seen it countless times on this board. I have yet to see a host educating customers and explaining that's just a monetary guarantee. Sure, in the TOS you'll find an explanation what the guarantee really means, but in the real world few customers bother to carefully read the TOS - and the hosts know this. The main reason for boasting a "99.9% uptime guarantee" in red bold letters is to close more sales by giving the customer a sense of security, of trust. The host doesn't put that there guarantee to give itself a motivation to achive great uptime levels. It's there as a proof of good salemanship. That's the thing! The server is down for 3 days and you get a free month of hosting because it happened. The uptime guarantee is almost worthless, especially for hosting resellers. It's not bad that it exists, it's bad that the customers don't know what it really means and that many hosts willingly play on this.
Posted by xn1x, 09-01-2004, 09:59 PM
I'd have to agree that the 99.9% uptime guarantee is there more for the host than the customer. It makes the customer feel more secure doing business with the host. In my opinion it leaves a false impression to the customers that they can expect 99.9% uptime. Even hosts that have had 7-10 outages a year will still keep the 99.9% logo on their main page to drive in more customers. Yes, it is in the host's best interest to try and keep the 99.9% statement true. If they are always giving away a free month or money back than they are losing a ton of $$$. If a server crashes due to hardware failure and the back-up isn't right there and ready to go than there will be a whole lot of time wasted and money lost by the clients who were setup on that server. The host will lose money b/c they will have to try and compensate for that error and hope the customers will stay with them. Some hosts will refuse to compensate and may get away with it or take a good chance of losing its current clients. Basically, the 99.9% is a good add-on for a sales pitch and benefits the host more either way you look at it.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 09-01-2004, 10:33 PM
Also most SLAs don't give 99.9% network uptime. They'll probably give 99.9% server uptime, but not network uptime. I've read a lot of such SLAs that basically say they give no guarantee to their upstream supply etc, but they will keep that server going 99.9% though. This I call server_fan uptime.
Posted by ldcdc, 09-01-2004, 10:43 PM
A host can have even more outages and still meet the 99.9% level. The duration is very important in measuring this. Well... It's good to know that the fan is functioning I guess...
Posted by Cornopean, 09-02-2004, 01:11 PM
Be VERY wary with SURPASSHOSTING. They Do NOT respond favourably to Help requests - and any attempt at closing the account and getting billing cancelled is VERY difficult indeed. Only when my company threatened them with legal action did they act in our favour. NEVER EVER AGAIN My Advice ? Go Elsewhere. Last edited by Cornopean; 09-02-2004 at 01:15 PM.
Posted by Nnyan, 09-02-2004, 03:52 PM
While I won't come down on anyone for not liking a certain host (to each his own I say) the one thing I did come away from some of your posts wasn't so much the lack of contact info with HTTPMe (it was there) but that you seemed to imply (whether you meant to or not) that they were not established. Now if you have looked around the various boards you'll come up with the same names over and over again. These are hosts that have established themselves by earning respect. While I do not host my sites with HTTPMe it was one of the handful on my short list. Hosts that I always seem to hear very good things from are autica.com, HTTPMe.com, JVDS.com, Rackforce, Pixiehost.com, PowerVPS.com, Fluidhosting.com, VPSColo.com, idologic.com, tektonic.net and of course Bluewho.com to mention a few. I myself use Bluewho for most of my hosting and would never turn back. Pricier then many I've seen/used? Sure, but when you add in quality of the support and service (and lack of problems!) its a bargain.
Posted by xn1x, 09-02-2004, 06:00 PM
Agreed, its hard to find good service at a low price. Even some of the more expensive hosts can have similar issues. I guess we all take a chance with the host we pick. Granted, it is less likely to have these issues with a more expensive host. Some of us just aren't in the position to afford these more expensive hosts yet. Some hosts are obviously better than others. I'm just glad to have a forum like this to find out which ones are worth taking a chance on and which to stay away from. Thank you so much for the info on surpasshosting. It took them so long to get back to me after I emailed them some simple questions regarding their company and hosting options. It seems there are some posts about them having trouble with keeping their network up and running. Its too bad considering their site is pretty good and the package deals are offered at a great price. They are off my list for sure b/c it seems people are just having too many issues with them. Thanks for the list of hosts. There are a few that I haven't come across before and plan to check them out. Again, I'm sure that HTTPME is a great ESTABLISHED company but at this point in time its not for me. Perhaps later I can take a serious look into them and consider openning an account. One company I'm seriously considering is Gazzin. Quick responses and they seem to be true to their word. Has anyone heard of serverprice.com. If so, what do you think???
Posted by dolay, 09-02-2004, 09:42 PM
LOL ARE YOU SURE THEY ARE CONS&PROS OF THE RESELLER HOSTING? http://www.webhosting.info/webhosts/...ains/SITE5.COM 4447 domains hosted http://www.webhosting.info/webhosts/.../PIXIEHOST.COM 291 domains hosted http://www.webhosting.info/webhosts/...OSTINGBUZZ.COM 112 domains hosted riothost.com have No records surpasshosting.com have No records webspace4less.com have No records As you seen only one of those services would claimed Cons or Pros of the reseller web hosting services.
Posted by xn1x, 09-03-2004, 12:59 AM
That's a good site: www.webhosting.info As for your comments... Most of those were scratched off my list. That's why I'm here, to find out who can provide a good reseller hosting account and who won't. I'm just taking my time looking for a good reseller and the ones I've found above were talked about in several posts in this forum. After researching, I've been able to slowly scratch some off my list. I'm still looking. Thanks for your input it helped out a great deal.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 09-03-2004, 04:11 AM
Thos stats are completely useless, as hosting companies use different nameservers, than the ones they check.
Posted by dolay, 09-03-2004, 09:36 AM
All of them are using the nameservers related with their host service domain name - i have checked because - i never assume something like that before i investigate it. The webhosting.info 's this service is very very useful and approved by the authorized other services ... Most those listed claimed cons&pros of reseller hosting services sharing nothing from the web hosting industry.
Posted by FHDave, 09-03-2004, 10:09 AM
You should check our SLA, Bob At least for us, network uptime is much easier to accomplished than servers/services uptime.
Posted by Aussie Bob, 09-03-2004, 10:25 AM
So you know for certian that site5 just uses the 1 domain for nameservers, for all their many dozens of servers?
Posted by ReliableSol, 09-03-2004, 11:09 AM
While webhostinginfo.com provides interesting stats, (we look forward to our weekly email) I can confirm that thier stats are NOT accurate. We use several namerservers attached to our domain for various servers and have been into our account there to set them up properly and still the stats for us are only reporting about 50% or actual domains under management. So real world - nope not accurate. They are still reasonably comparitive because the same inaccuracy would be across all hosts. You should really consider adding BlueWho to your list. I forget how their costs compare with HTTPME, I think it was pretty close but a bit cheaper. When we were researching these were the two front runners. We ultimately decided to go with BlueWho and have been very happy with the quality of service and simply amazed at the level of support. Best decision ever. I have also seen over the year that we have been with them, that their available servers have gone from 5 to 20 . So they must be doing something right. Our business has grown as a result of being on such a problem free host. So that is far more valuable than an extra $5 or $10 a month saved by going with a cheaper host. As to one of the others on your list Pixiehost, I can only also say good things. Many of my friends and collegues in the hosting industry, who are members of JointSupportForum.com have actively used PixieHost.Com without complaint. In fact JSF chose Pixiehost to host its forums due to Roy's ability to run a stable and highly available server. Over the past year, I have found Roy to be a highly knowledgeable, competent and friendly server admin who has actively contributed to JSF. While price is an important issue, the quality of support, and competence of server admin ability are by far much more important for you and your business. Be willing to pay a few dollars extra per month in order not to lose customers to excessive downtime or poor support. Think of those extra dollars as business insurance. We started out looking for the good cheapy hosts and had some shocker experiences, then we stepped up to the medium priced ones with good WHT reputations and have not had a major issue since. I hope it all goes well for you.
Posted by dolay, 09-03-2004, 11:27 AM
I think you do not know exactly how webhosting.info reports about hosted domain of a service? "http://www.webhosting.info/webhosts/reports/total_domains/SITE5.COM 4447 domains hosted" are you thinking site5 is using one-two nameserver for all of those 4447 domains? Ofcourse no, the webhosting.info is able to calculate how many nameservers have a web hosting service and calculates how many domains DNS's turned to those nameservers - but only for active / long standing services not for services that host 10-100 domains only or the host has not any share on the web hosting business... so you may assume that any services that could claimed the cons of the web hosting services must have some information there! Also as you seen on my post i said EXCEPT SITE5 i know Site5 is a middle big service and valuable share on the reseller web hosting industry but others ABSOLUTELY NOT HAVE ANY WORTH TO CLAIM CONS&PROS LOL I know that webhosting.info shows 550 domains for our service but i know that we have over 800 domains hosted within our service because webhosting.info doesnt claim the domains as a host of the webservice if their DNS are pointed to the the reseller nameservers thats belong to this webservice (reseller nameservers issue) so i do not claim they are reporting exact webservice's hosted domains but their services is the best option to find an information about how many domains a webservice has. For the last: if you claim them cons&pros then you must sure that there are at least thousands of cons&pros of the web hosting reseller services ... Also the thread opener has confirmed that he has not any wide knowledge about the big players on this business - he/she said that those are the some services that he knows from the posts only not Con's or Pro's of this business. Lets be honest and lets do not discuss this matter for further everything is visible for the whom knows how to investigate...
Posted by snickn, 09-03-2004, 11:43 AM
I think someone is misunderstanding the term "pros and cons" "Pros and cons" simply means "advantages and disadvantages". All this user wanted to know was the good and bad parts of each of the above hosts...pros and cons doesn't imply they are better or worse than anyone else
Posted by Aussie Bob, 09-03-2004, 12:55 PM
Oh really? Webhostinginfo has no clue about the many anonymous domains/nameservers that a host could be using for their servers. As I said, that information is not accurate. I think they had us down for only a handful of hosted domanis, yet we host more than 25,000 domains.
Posted by IHSL, 09-03-2004, 01:02 PM
Very true. WebHostinginfo is as useful as a chocolate fireguard, especially for calculating how many domains a reseller provider is hosting. Bob, think of it this way: At least you're doing your job, anmd providing anonymous reselling Simon
Posted by InSite, 09-03-2004, 01:15 PM
Wow - on average, over 800 domains per server - that's impressive
Posted by net-trend, 09-03-2004, 01:19 PM
That is correct. Each nameserver we use and/or assign, uses a different IP with a different domain tied to it. It's impossible to find out what belongs to whom or where unless you are our server admin.
Posted by Matt Lightner, 09-04-2004, 09:07 PM
I'm not quite sure what you're arguing here, but I can confirm that our anonymous domain DNS gets listed separately from our shared hosting DNS. All shared hosting accounts use the same two nameservers--DNS.SITE5.COM and DNS2.SITE5.COM. That's what you're looking at when you query site5.com there--those two nameservers (yes, all 4500 are on the same two nameservers). Reseller accounts, however, are split between our anonymous domain and domains used by the resellers for custom nameservers. I do not believe that webhosting.info has any reliable way of matching those all up to provide a complete view of a company's reselling statistics. Matt
Posted by dolay, 09-04-2004, 11:20 PM
WOW how many members are there from the service (httpme + site5) i am impressed so much... I never told that the webhosting.info is able to provide exact hosted domain count for a service also their software doesn not look for 2-3 DNS for matching the hosted domains under a service. They crawl the nameservers that have reserved entries to another nameservers also they require the submission of additional nameservers from the members that have a web hosting service. They told me that they are not counting resellers hosted domains that have their own reseller nameservers under the statistics of the reseller hosting providers . Which is a very smart idea because if you count those resellers hosted domains as the reseller hosting providers hosted domain then ITS SURE that you have to count all of the hosted domains on the NET are the hosted domains of 20-30 ISP's ! am i wrong ? where we are getting our connection - bw. carriers ? from 20-30 ISP's - where do we get our ip's? only from ARIN(main provider) >ISP's>Hosting Providers - i think that its meaningless to discuss it DEEPLY because i dont think that we could find the bottom - Again - i said that the webhosting.info IS THE BEST OPTION TO GET KNOWLEDGE ABOUT A WEB HOSTING SERVICE TO LEARN HOW MANY ACCOUNTS THAT THEY HAVE ( BY COMPARING - BY GUESSING - WHAT EVER THE WAY) otherwise i do not claim any web services that have less hosted domains than they have claimed.
Posted by xn1x, 09-05-2004, 01:16 PM
Hello All: I've been pretty sick the past few days so I haven't had a chance to respond to any of this lately. Not doing much better now but sitting here in bed... at least this gives me something to do besides playing chess. webhosting.info - I've taken a little bit of time to review the site. It seems their site may be able to measure the approximate amount of clients a host has. It probably doesn't measure the amount of clients the resellers for the host has. Example: "A" is the actual hosting company with direct access to datacenters and servers. "B" are the clients who setup hosting and reseller hosting accounts with "A." "C" are the clients who have their site hosted by purchasing hosting space from a reseller in category "B." Webhosting.info can probably measure almost all the different clients of "A" which are labeled "B" but probably does not see the "C" clients. Hope that wasn't confusing... Anyway, I believe webhosting.info to be a nice tool when searching for information about web hosts and registrars. Yes, I'm looking for the Pros & Cons about each host listed above and ANY other host. I'm hoping to receive your personal opinions due to your own experiences with these hosts (Good or Bad). Any other advice is more than welcome. I believe that everyone has had good and bad experiences with their hosts. The information will be used to help people like me choose a good reliable host based on the experience of others. Perhaps, hosting companies will later be able to see where they are lacking and try to improve those areas and find out what their clients like most about them and keep it up. So far all the information has been overwhelmingly helpful. Thank you.
Posted by ReliableSol, 09-06-2004, 04:12 AM
The only problem with coming to WHT to ask for reviews (note I have provided one already), is that this process really does favour the large established hosts. Since hosts cannot promote themselves, and the best reviews are ones from actual clients, it means that the big hosts with lots of resellers are more likely to have customers who come here to WHT, that can provide those reviews. The smaller host, even if they provide a great service, are likely to never get a mention, because they might only have a handful of resellers who may or may not frequent WHT. It would be nice if there was a way to level that playing field a little. In the mean time the big hosts get bigger and the small ones continue to struggle. If a small host is really good at their trade, and can swing the finance to advertise enough to become known, then maybe one day they will be a big host and get the benefit of many referrals, alas most won't.
Posted by donniesd, 09-06-2004, 05:28 PM
Should check out http://x1services.com/ Great service and support.
Posted by bart_arg, 09-06-2004, 05:57 PM
Reliablesol, original post asked information regading 6 providers. I think nobody has experience with 6 providers. Personally, in 6 years I changed 3 times. Anyway we are always looking for more space, more bw and lower costs. In my case, y am with HTTPME, where I place my top clients. I am trying with Host Entric (which was small before it was buyed by another company), with only one large outage (about 5 hours) in two months, and next try will be with Gazzin, which I understand is small and growing.
Posted by xn1x, 09-07-2004, 12:13 AM
One of my main problems finding a good host in a forum is that so many of these forums have people from these hosting companies trying to get you to swing their way. These people will even say bad things about other hosting companies so you won't go with them. So now I have to filter out the bull and try to find actual clients of some of these hosting companies and really see if they are any good. This is not an easy task. True, the larger hosting companies keep getting bigger and stronger. The smaller/newer hosting companies trying to compete are fighting an upward battle but hopefully they will get to a point where that is no longer the case. There are a few pros and cons about these new hosting companies. Some of the cons are: the fact they are NEW says a lot. It means they are more likely to make more mistakes than a larger firm which has been running for several years. Many of these new hosting companies have fewer than 10 employees that may not have the experience or capability of dealing with customers or large amounts of clients. The resources are limited. Trust plays a major issue here. For all we know a few kids could of gotten together and setup a nice site but really didn't know what they were getting into. Or worse we can have everything running beautifully for 3 months than you find out your sites are all down and the hosting company is closed and we are out of luck... Some of the pros are: The new smaller companies are more flexible. More one on one with clients. Chances are they have fewer clients and so they can actually offer better service to those clients. They may be able to resolve server issues more rapidly than a larger firm. They can monitor and manage their servers more easily b/c they have fewer systems. I'm sure we can agree that paying a monthly fee is one thing. Once your client base is up the thing you care about most is the quality of service, dependable networks, reliable tech support, uptime, ... Anything to keep your clients happy and staying with you. Moving on... Host Entric and hostndezign.com are the same company. I clicked on Pricing from host entric's site and it brought me to hostndezign.com. Anyway the pricing does seem good except I personally don't like how the site is setup. There doesn't seem to be much information on the features or packages available to clients. I would be more inclined to do business with Gazzin because their site seems to be well put together. Also I've had a chance or 2 to ask them a few questions and stuff. A well put together site doesn't mean you can expect good business but it is a nice start. Right now I'm searching for reviews on Gazzin and a handful of other companies. Just trying to find out which ones are the best to go with. A difficult task indeed.
Posted by er2er, 09-07-2004, 03:06 AM
Anytime when we want to purchase something that is worth its price, we need to check various possibilities, ask friends, find current user - it's not only related to web hosting. Chances are, that the customers of large hosting companies are easier to find - this allows to get first impression quicker. Big companies can also dedicate more support time to their customers - jus a sub-team that will be "one on one" with the customers; also - more often you can have a try-before-you-buy account with them to test if you like their servers and their support. It will probably take some time, but when you make a good choice, you'll save much time on transfers and arguments with support/sales.
Posted by apachedave, 09-07-2004, 08:07 AM
i have checked out this company but it seems they have been in business just for several months. Registration of domain name was in April 2004 anyone knows more?? regards APACHE
Posted by apachedave, 09-07-2004, 08:10 AM
look at what they said here while i was talking to them: Apache: how long have you been in business? Logan: gazzin.com has been in business for 30 days. But we're a sister company ofPsychz Networks who's been in business since 2001 serving business, and corporate accounts.
Posted by gwsolutions, 09-07-2004, 09:49 AM
httpme is very costly. They are not the king. Best is site5.com customer support is important as well as rates are must be very competitive in the today world because there is lot of competition. You can't stand in market as a reseller if your costs are too high. There are many reliable host with good customer support & good reseller packages.
Posted by xn1x, 09-07-2004, 09:17 PM
Between httpme and site5 I personally would probably feel more comfortable with site5.com as well. Yes, Gazzin.com has only been in business for about a month. From what I've been told Psychz.net is the sister company and has been in business for a few years. Since Phychz was the original hosting company it makes a person wonder why add another hosting company with just a different name along with different hosting options. If Phychz was involved in a different part of the computer industry and decided to get involved with hosting so they created another hosting company that would be understandable. Anyway, I'm looking at Gazzin as a new company trying to start out on its own. I've asked a few questions and always received quick honest answers. One of my reseller accounts will probably be with them. Site5 is another company I'm considering. I was able to chat with them live and asked a ton of questions and they replied just as fast with good answers and solutions.
Posted by SilverSting, 12-08-2004, 09:46 PM
So..... who did you go with ???
Posted by cyberbear, 12-26-2004, 11:24 AM
You are totally misjudging it here. I,ve known Rob from the time he started httpme in 2000 or 2001. Don't look at information in the contact section. Surf their board and notice how satisfied their customers are. They have a public forum and anyone can post what he want's. If there are unsatisfied customers you would notice it immediately. I'm sure that you won't find anything much better than httpme. John (nogi)
Posted by cyberbear, 12-26-2004, 11:29 AM
Yeah, if hosting is only a hobby for you. I once subscribed to a $35 plan at MCHost, that was before I got my own dedicated servers. In a few month I earned $800-$900/month. $35/month is a very low price for doing serious business. John
Posted by kelvinklay, 12-26-2004, 12:12 PM
site5 also looks good to me.
Posted by Canned_Heat, 02-23-2005, 01:27 PM
only a little"? They are not a little expensive, they are mucho expensive. Their minimum account is $35 a month and allows hosting of 50 domain names. They appear to be clearly (and only) targeting resellers, so anybody who is looking for hosting (and is not looking to be a reseller) should not consider httpme. CH
Posted by hostingtalkuser, 02-24-2005, 01:15 PM
someone here had a bad comment about surpass hosting.. what about hostdime? They are in the same datacenter but hostdime has phone support.
Posted by hostingtalkuser, 02-24-2005, 01:19 PM
someone in the replies you got had this site in their signature: http://whreviews.com/ and the reviews site did not include site5 or gazzin in their 'honest hosts'... What are your thoughts on that? I am very new to hosting and I need to find something like what you are looking for
Posted by Matt Lightner, 02-24-2005, 01:30 PM
Whreviews' owner (Dan) will be the first to tell you that not all honest hosting companies are listed on that page. There are so many companies that he simply is unable to list them all. Additionally, he has said many times that adding new hosts to that list is a "low priority" when compared to adding new articles. As long as I've been watching the site hosts haven't been added to that list, and I'm quite particular it's not yet listing all honest hosting companies. Don't make the assumption that a company's omission from that list implies dishonesty. Matt
Posted by ldcdc, 02-24-2005, 03:27 PM
Matt's answer is perfect! I see that he remembers quite well what we discussed over MSN some time ago. hostingtalkuser, I take your post as a sign that I should put a bit more emphasis on adding hosts. Yet the list is alive. Hosts are added from time to time and quite recently one host was removed.

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