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Different class "C" IPs nameservers. Your advice?
| Posted by Cossack, 06-08-2005, 02:32 PM |
| Hi all!
Could anyone give me any recommendation about a good reseller hosting? My obligatory requirement is nameservers with different class "C" IPs. I need it to host some domains, like .ru.
I like site5.com, but they don't provide such service.
Waiting for your comments...
Daniel.
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| Posted by GreatDaneOwner, 06-08-2005, 03:02 PM |
| All hosts should be able to provide you with IPs on different C blocks as lots of different national domain registrars require it. Hosting foreign domains shouldn't be a problem either - it is an international market and audience. Try the Host Quote feature.
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| Posted by okihost, 06-08-2005, 04:07 PM |
| ru domains are the only domains I have seen so far that require this and we host many different non-standard TLDs. What we do is setup the reseller on the main server and also set them up on a temp server (any other server using nameservers on a different c-class) and also put them on that server and adjust the records accordingly. Once the .RU registrant gives you the OK that the nameservers check out ok you can delete the site off the second (temp) server and you will be all set.
We have been doing this for 3+ years with no problem, the only time you may run into a problem is if your host only has one server or has different servers in the same c-class.
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| Posted by ALLiNET, 06-08-2005, 06:19 PM |
| net.ru - FREE
.com.ru - FREE
.org.ru - FREE
.su
.kz
.ua
They need DNS's in diferent c-classes... But in general there is a lot of problems with .ru zone becouse You need first setup account on a server then only change DNS's
Best Regards
Yaroslav
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-09-2005, 05:45 AM |
| May be I can host secondary zones on other server, like granitecanyon.com? It'll be on other "C"-class IP. But will it be truly anonymous service?
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| Posted by ALLiNET, 06-09-2005, 10:21 AM |
| Cossack are you looking for reseller hosting in Russia Moscow or in US? on Private Label?
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| Posted by webair-gene, 06-09-2005, 10:29 AM |
| I'm not sure many resellers provide accounts with nameservers on two diffirent class c's, you would have to email whomever you are interested in purchasing from and ask for confirmation.
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-09-2005, 11:56 AM |
| I need not very expensive reseller account under $20/m with full set of services. A location doesn't matter.
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| Posted by ALLiNET, 06-09-2005, 01:28 PM |
| I think you can find some one who can offer it to you.
All hosting companys able to do this. Like we even offer diferent A classes not just C Classas on our DNS servers but only by requast
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| Posted by Jag, 06-09-2005, 01:31 PM |
| ru domains are a big pain and have unrealistic requirements to operate dns easily. But at the same token any host of decent size should easily be able to offer dns ip's on different class c's .
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-09-2005, 03:26 PM |
| Planning to try resellerzoom. May be it'll be good for my needs...
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| Posted by WestNIC, 06-09-2005, 07:01 PM |
| I would disagree about "unrealistic". That's easy: two stand-alone dns servers on different class c ip blocks. Any midsize dc got at least 2 class c blocks. Or.. you can always add more redundancy by placing another dns server in other dc.
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| Posted by niyogi, 06-09-2005, 07:05 PM |
| OKIHost-Paul:
Smart! I like that idea.
Roj
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| Posted by gogocode, 06-11-2005, 03:20 AM |
| denic also require different class C ips. You can always use a free secondary DNS service like twisted4life.com and provide that as one of the nameservers.
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-11-2005, 07:16 AM |
| But will it be ns2.myname.com?
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| Posted by okihost, 06-11-2005, 07:47 AM |
| Thanks it took a while to figure out it would work but as with many non-standard TLDs there is a trick to then. I think it was .bg and .is that required allowing of zone transfer, particular TTL and a few other things just to get it resolved. A pain but luckily they do not come around too often
What the host will need to do is setup ns2.yourdomain.com on another server on a different c-class and then run it through .ru once they accept it then it is your choice to ask to keep it hosted on another server or not they may offer it at a slightly less price.. The way shared web servers are setup for many hosts these days it is not really needed because DNS and apache reside on the same server so regardless of if the other DNS server on the second c-class is up or not if your site is down it is down.
The reason they want a second c-class is because the way DNS used to be setup more commonly (still is but I am speaking about most shared hosts) is that to host sites there were always two seperate servers with one being the ns1 server and one being the ns2 so if either fails the DNS for the domain is still working on the 'backup' server and can be correctly routed.
Today everything is on one server which cuts down in cost and to be honest unless you are running a mission critical operation it fine 99.9% of the time.
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-11-2005, 11:05 AM |
| Besides, DNS specification requires different class C, as I know...
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| Posted by okihost, 06-11-2005, 11:14 AM |
| Yes so:
1: Have your host setup ns1 on your primary server and ns2 on a secondary server for you and have them give you IP's
2: Register your nameservers ns1/ns2 using the IP's your host gave you, then wait for them to resolve.
3. Register your ns1 and ns2 nameservers at your .RU registrant and wait for verification that they were successfully registered with them.
Then you can either pay to have a second DNS server setup on the second server your host setup or just have them delete it and go back in youe your registrant where you registered ns1/ns2.yourdomain.com and change ns2 to the IP address you were initally supposed to use on the same c-class.
.RU only check that the two nameservers are on different blocks, once it does this test it does not look at it ever again that I know of.
Like I said I have probably about 20 .RU domains and they are all setup like this through 3 or so different resellers who all used this method.
if there are other requirement which I do not think there are you should be all set.
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-11-2005, 12:19 PM |
| Yes, that's the nice trick, but I must do that every time I want to host a new .ru domain...
May be registrar accepts different class A... The thing I can't realize is the requirement of different class C. But I know many .ru domains hosted on IPs of A class, and it works.
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| Posted by buddhafinder, 06-12-2005, 10:07 AM |
| different class a is always a different class c, no?
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-12-2005, 11:50 AM |
| IP classes have different number ranges, AFAIK
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| Posted by dvduval, 06-15-2005, 12:29 AM |
| I don't know much about this company, but they have an interesting plan where every account (even on your reseller) gets a different c class ip.
http://hostland.com/
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| Posted by DigitalN, 06-15-2005, 02:28 AM |
| The requirement to have different class c's for name server IP's is a bit pointless imho .. as you can easily add a different class c ip block to the same server .. which most providers co-locating would be doing anyway, as they get IP's when they ask for them and the data center gives them another block which almost always are certainly at least a different class c.. so you just assign an IP from the different class c for those domains.
Having name servers hosted in geographically different locations does not mean necessarily that the name service will be more reliable or provide ultimate redundancy. Just adds another link in the system to fail sometimes.
I also recommend just registering a .com or .net for your main account and name servers... it saves all this hassle.
Anyways, that's my take on the subject
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| Posted by eapple, 06-15-2005, 02:59 AM |
| some of .ru is free.
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-15-2005, 04:52 AM |
| such as?
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| Posted by Rochen, 06-16-2005, 05:02 PM |
| As noted above, this is a simple request that most providers should be able to provide, even those who automate most of their provisioning process.
You should even be able to change the IP address of your existing NS2 name server without downtime, although the host may charge you a small maintenance fee to do this.
- Chris
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-16-2005, 05:29 PM |
| however, site5 doesn't do it!
i believed it very good provider...
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| Posted by 2Grumpy, 06-16-2005, 08:38 PM |
| Why not just use a dns service like zoneedit/etc and do dns thru that and just point it at the proper ips on your host? That would allow you to host with anyone without any special setup.
There should still be a few free dns places out there aren't there?
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-17-2005, 05:04 AM |
| I think, free services are not very reliable, because they are free.
So I use them seldom.
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| Posted by error404, 06-17-2005, 05:06 PM |
| I'm sure they'll take your money if you give it to them...
The fact that it's free says naught about it's reliability. ZoneEdit also has a pay service, and has been around for years. You do run Linux servers right? Free.
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| Posted by net-trend, 06-18-2005, 01:25 PM |
| There are numerous other providers that are at least as decent as site5 that will do it. Just take your time and research a little more.
Just format a standard email and fire it off to a number of companies you are interested in and then work your way from there.
While OKIhost's idea is good, it's just a cheap and quick fix that doesn't solve the issue with needing a different class C address.
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| Posted by Cossack, 06-18-2005, 01:59 PM |
| thanks to all for your posts.
I'm with RZ now, they made it for me.
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